Kid Learns Hard Way Committing Isn't A Two Way Street

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Dont get what the issue is here. This has nothing to do with a man giving his "word", a "commitment" is more like an indication of interest. Until signing day both the player and the program are free to keep looking. Sometimes a lot happens between a commitment and signing day, like a player starts showing bad results on the field or bad behavior off of it - or a program changes coaches or brings in a 5* so now the player would be riding bench. Can't expect either side to remain interested when conditions change. As they say, it doesn't mean anything until the ink is dry.
 
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VFL34 said:
It's part of the game. Happened to me, happened to j lewy happened to j Henderson. It happens to all recruits. This is nothing new. Verbal is not signed...butch said attend the camp and we will re evaluate and decide then. This kid wasn't truly committed to tennessee. If he was, he would have gone to camp as coach insisted. That's how u weed out those who have it in their heart and those who dont
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Wish you would post more. The best insight usually comes from those who have been there.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Here's a take on what kids who commit to a program really face. Of course most of us here know the Alabama way of recruiting, but Tennessee is in the core of the below story. In any case, shows how foolish fans are when a kid chooses to visit other schools after committing and being damned for it. They really do have to watch out for number one. They find out that the adage of "a man's only as good as his word" can mean the man might not be any good at all in terms of keeping a promise or agreement. So the point here is, try seeing recruitment from the recruits' point of view without being blindly biased. Although I think for many that is an absurd expectation because it's beyond their capacity.

Cleveland High School football player learns that verbal scholarship ‘offers’ aren’t always offers | CharlotteObserver.com
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Little nicky boy pulls the offer if the recruits take other visits. What a great guy he is. :yes: :bad:
 
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Ya know what I love @ this article. Butch passed/delayed on a 4* DL w offers from Bama who was taken by Dabo! This only means one thing. Woooohoooo!
 
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This kid could switch his commitment to Bama later, then FSU, then Miami, then UTC, then end up signing with UT on NSD. And not one single coach can do a thing @ it.

People wringing their hands need to chill and realize the recruiting situation is fluid until the moment the faxes roll.

Its just a 17yr old and parents getting enlightened to how the process really works. I would have been just as ignorant if it were me or my son because I have never been through it either.
 
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SDV said:
He'll probably go to Clemson and be great like Tajh Boyd
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VFL34 said:
It's part of the game. Happened to me, happened to j lewy happened to j Henderson. It happens to all recruits. This is nothing new. Verbal is not signed...butch said attend the camp and we will re evaluate and decide then. This kid wasn't truly committed to tennessee. If he was, he would have gone to camp as coach insisted. That's how u weed out those who have it in their heart and those who dont
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VFL34 said:
Do u want someone who is gonna fight for your school? Or someone who is just gonna give up? Case closed here..
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If the kid accepted the offer months ago then he would not have been in this situation. Coaches can't hold the door open forever.
 
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VFL34 said:
It's part of the game. Happened to me, happened to j lewy happened to j Henderson. It happens to all recruits. This is nothing new. Verbal is not signed...butch said attend the camp and we will re evaluate and decide then. This kid wasn't truly committed to tennessee. If he was, he would have gone to camp as coach insisted. That's how u weed out those who have it in their heart and those who dont
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Don't know how many ways I can say it. My post is about the attitude of fans toward a player who opts to continue visiting other schools after committing. It's not about Butch but the need of kids to look out for number one, meaning themselves because they can't really take a coach's word that an offer or promise of a scholarship if the commit isn't binding. A matter of two can play the game thing. BUT often FANS damn recruits when they keep looking or visiting elsewhere. It's about the fans' attitude. The fans. The fans. The fans, whether they're Honeywell, Vornado, Minka, Lasko, of Vols.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Don't know how many ways I can say it. My post is about the attitude of fans toward a player who opts to continue visiting other schools after committing. It's not about Butch but the need of kids to look out for number one, meaning themselves because they can't really take a coach's word that an offer or promise of a scholarship if the commit isn't binding. A matter of two can play the game thing. BUT often FANS damn recruits when they keep looking or visiting elsewhere. It's about the fans' attitude. The fans. The fans. The fans, whether they're Honeywell, Vornado, Minka, Lasko, of Vols.
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I agree with u homey. I was just staying a fact to add to your post.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Here's a take on what kids who commit to a program really face. Of course most of us here know the Alabama way of recruiting, but Tennessee is in the core of the below story. In any case, shows how foolish fans are when a kid chooses to visit other schools after committing and being damned for it. They really do have to watch out for number one. They find out that the adage of "a man's only as good as his word" can mean the man might not be any good at all in terms of keeping a promise or agreement. So the point here is, try seeing recruitment from the recruits' point of view without being blindly biased. Although I think for many that is an absurd expectation because it's beyond their capacity.

Cleveland High School football player learns that verbal scholarship ‘offers’ aren’t always offers | CharlotteObserver.com
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You were obviously right about the defensive kneejerk reaction this would get from posters hear, but your observations are spot on. The players do not have a voice in NCAA rulemaking, so you'll have a hard time finding anything in NCAA rules, recruiting process through graduation, that is the players' interest.

It's not about us. I support APU.
 
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KBVol said:
It's very much a 2 way street. Just as a kid could verbally commit to a school and then choose another school in the end or at the last minute (think DaVonte Lambert), a school can offer a kid a scholly early on and then pull that offer or make it conditional, like Butch did here, if the school has what it believes to be better players it can recruit to the program.

Both the recruit, especially if he is highly recruited and has multiple offers, and the schools have choices and the ability to make decisions in their own best interest. Agree with Fade.....Butch did nothing wrong or untoward here.
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Exactly what I was about to say. These kids can get official offers in hand, be committed to a school verbally for over a year and then on NSD pull out a different hat on TV and $h*t on everyone's day. It certainly is a two way street.
 
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The kid can't spell the coach's name(Swinny )but he wants to play for him. Potentially a drag on the ole APR.
 
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I'm gonna chalk it all up to a big mis-communication of expectations and obligations. It doesn't look good for the program though. Hopefully, these stories will be few and far between.

This kid may end up being a great star, and I understand his frustration, especially when he grew up a TN fan.
 
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Volru said:
You were obviously right about the defensive kneejerk reaction this would get from posters hear, but your observations are spot on. The players do not have a voice in NCAA rulemaking, so you'll have a hard time finding anything in NCAA rules, recruiting process through graduation, that is the players' interest.

It's not about us. I support APU.
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Thank you for giving me a little bit of hope for humanity. Glad to see someone understood what my post was all about. Quark had us humans figured out precisely.

 
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davethevol said:
I'm wondering if he did indeed have a commitable offer and not a conditional one, if there was indeed an offer at all. Without UT commenting, we really don't know what the truth is.
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That is true. It does seem though that he was under the impression that he had an offer and that it was commitable. It would seem to be the responsibility of the staff to make him understand exactly where he stood.

You just don't want this kind of stuff. A little is "understandable" from the angle of coaches and recruits. Alot of it gets doors slammed in your face.
 
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fade route said:
Like a lot of recruits this kid probably thought he was awesome when in reality he's just pretty good. Butch obviously doesn't think he's awesome after re-evaluating him and the kid is a little butt hurt over it. Really nothing more to it
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I read it more like Jones wasn't finished evaluating him. The kid wants his recruitment over because he doesn't like the calls and texts and such. Little does he know that none of that is likely to stop and especially if he has a big Sr year.
 
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KBVol said:
Apples and oranges IMO. Dooley evidently damaged relationships with HS coaches because of other reasons......from the Chattanooga Free Press......
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Could be. I just don't like double standards.

Jones has more capital in the bank than Dooley had and especially at the end. But you don't want to spend it cheaply.
 
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Can't feel sorry for any kid that gets a full scholarship to a good school to play Div-1 football. Clemson is a good school. Wish him well.

Anyone that doesn't see the need to over recruit the kids is just living with their head in the sand.
 
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sjt18 said:
Could be. I just don't like double standards.

Jones has more capital in the bank than Dooley had and especially at the end. But you don't want to spend it cheaply.
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I don't like em either. Just don't think the systemic and widespread failures of Dooley in regards to "damaging relationships with HS coaches" should be compared in any way with any damage that may have been done with Sterling Johnson's HS coach because Johnson was asked to come to camp this summer for further evaluation before the offer was commitable.
 
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