Kiffin pisses off Jeff Fisher

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He probably needs to make good on his USC gig. He's running out of avenues to turn down if he fails. He's a train wreck waiting to happen and it's only a matter of time.
 
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Had this happened to almost any other coach, I'd be on his side.

I hate the Titans.
 
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“I am very disappointed in Lane Kiffin’s approach to this,’’ Fisher said on Saturday. “Typically speaking when coaches are interested in hiring or discussing potential employment from coaches on respective staffs there is a courtesy call made from the head coach or athletic director indicating there is an interest in talking to the assistant.

“So I am very disappointed in the lack of professionalism on behalf of Lane, to call me and leave me a voice mail after Kennedy had informed me he had taken the job. It is just a lack of professionalism."

Mr Fisher....welcome to the world of the Tennessee Volunteers fan.
 
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Just some thoughts I have on the issue:

- First off, I'm not worried about the RB Coach spot for the Titans. RB Coach, in my opinion, is the least impactful positional coach there is. Nevertheless, they won't find an upgrade over Pola at this point. Dinger could easily be the interim RB Coach for this season and the Titans will be fine. In fact, with how much Dinger was wanting to work with CJ on his pass-catching last year, that actually may work out very well if it allows an apportunity for Dinger to coach that up in CJ.

- I think it's not only significant that an established football coach has outright said that he didn't like something Lane Kiffin did and criticized Kiffin to the media, but even more so since Fisher is a USC alumnus. If there's one point when a college HC would tread cautiously when recruiting pro coaches, it would seem to be most important when the team you're picking from's HC is a well known alumnus from your university - and maybe even booster.

- I gotta think the new AD at USC may've played a part in Pola's change of attitude. Maybe they're friends, former team mates, or have an established working relationship from the past? Just speculation cause I haven't done the research, but Garrett seemingly keeping the train off the tracks wasn't helping.

- The "Offensive Coordinator" is a faux title, in my view. It'll be Kiffin's offense and it'll run through him. But by adding on OC, the prestige of the position increased drastically and the salary got a nice bonus. It'll be good on the job experience for Pola and a good resume builder for future jobs though, since that USC offense should be good with all that talent at the skill positions. Pola will probably coach RB's and likely have more of an asst. HC role than OC, but I guess there's plenty of shaded area between these roles.

- Kind've adding on to the tangent above, but USC doesn't get Pola without fabricating the OC position for him. If it's just "USC RB Coach," like it was a few months ago when he denied them, then Pola would still be in the comfiest RB Coaching position in the NFL right now. That was the only way for Kiffin to get his man, and he found a way by offering him the position of "USC Offensive Coordinator." But...even though I think the whole OC thing is a sham of sorts, it should still be stated that USC chose Kennedy Pola as their Offensive Coordinator. Let that sink in. Not only that, but he turned them down until they upped the prestige and money despite being an alumnus. Pola is a great hire at RB Coach, but at OC? Not so much. They should've gotten someone a lot better at OC and should've been able to get Pola at RB Coach, but since they didn't...then it could mean that they just couldn't and shows the state of their program currently.

- With the way Kiffin handled taking a position coach away from a USC alumnus, it leads me to believe that a lot of the things he did were out of inexperience or just plain ignorance. A lot of the, "Kiffin has a plan! He's doing all of this on purpose!" banter has taken another big hit for me.

- I believe Pola formerly served on the USC coaching staff way back when, so he has college coaching experience. Nevertheless, he's been in the NFL for a while now. It's gonna be interesting to see how he adapts back to the college game and recruiting, especially under guys like Kiffin and Orgeron.

- I'll try to end it with this last one. I don't think taking this job will hurt Pola in any way possible - unless he commits a **** ton of recruiting violations and gets USC the death penalty. That'll definitely hurt him. But he's unquestioned as a RB Coach (even though I'm iffy on their importance, I'll give it to him), so even if the Kiffin tenure flops, he'll have a spot whether in the NFL or college. But, I still think the NFL was his best spot. He had better job security under the longest tenured HC in the NFL, had the best RB in the NFL at his disposal, and had an awesome OL for his guys to run behind. At USC, he doesn't have that. I think Kiffin's job security took a hit when Garrett was fired and Haden took over and showed his stature by giving up Reggie Bush's Heisman. He has a budding star apparently in Dillon Baxter, but he had that with CJ and with the scholarship reductions, filling out the OL with great players will be difficult (During USC's run, their skill players got the credit - but it was the OL that was the backbone of their success). And he'll have to deal with recruiting and pulling his own there. It just seems like a big risk to me, and I know these guys are competitive, but Kiffin's tenure looks boom or bust to me now that the NCAA brought the hammer down - Is that really the wagon you wanna hitch the next 3-5 years of your career up to?


I probably forgot something, and sorry if others have already said or alluded to some of the things I posted. But gimme a break. I just found out that Bulluck is headed to the NY Giants. :cray:
 
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Fisher is one of the most highly regarded coaches in the NFL, and Kiffin doesn't even think about doing the right thing. Kiffin is trash.
 
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Also, part of this could be that Fisher knows that everyone in Tennessee hates Kiffin. He might not have gone public or made much of a deal about this had a different coach done this.

Since it is Kiffin and he knows that we hate him he is reaching out to Tennessee fans to have a common enemy. Potentially, gaining more support for the Titans. (not saying the Titans don't have much support)

If I were Fisher I would make this as big of a stink as I could...
 
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pualsline said:
Also, part of this could be that Fisher knows that everyone in Tennessee hates Kiffin. He might not have gone public or made much of a deal about this had a different coach done this.

Since it is Kiffin and he knows that we hate him he is reaching out to Tennessee fans to have a common enemy. Potentially, gaining more support for the Titans. (not saying the Titans don't have much support)

If I were Fisher I would make this as big of a stink as I could...
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Fisher is a USC alum, I don't think the stink is being made because he's the Titans' coach. The stink is being made because of unprofessionalism.

I really don't know why I ever defended Lane Kiffin, other than the fact he said things that most of us Vol fans wanted to hear. I know I look bad for taking shots at him, but he made us fans who believed in what he was doing look like even bigger idiots in the fans eyes who saw past the smoke screens. Sometimes you want to need to believe in someone or something so bad, that you are willing to look past what possible implications it could land you in. Everyone on this board has done that in some shape, form, or fashion in their life, and I'd say the majority of them cursed the person or thing that caused them to do so, after they let them down completely.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Fisher is a USC alum, I don't think the stink is being made because he's the Titans' coach. The stink is being made because of unprofessionalism.
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Knowing that Fisher doesn't like Kiffin makes me feel a little bit more connected with Fisher.

Thus I will support the Titans a little more in the future. I won't decide if I go to a game based on this, but I will make a little more point to watch their games and support them knowing they don't like Kiffin, too.

I agree the lack of professionalism has a lot to do with it. I just think he is going to make more out of it do to Kiffin's history.

Fisher being a USC alumni doesn't have anything to do with it IMO
 
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With a new AD at USC, Kiffin better win this year. Unless he shocks all of us and wins the right way and doesn't cheat in recruiting (which will be hard with Coach O there) , I really doubt his tenure at USC will be very lengthy. He is old news and since they won't be in the polls or the bowls, hopefully we won't hear much about that team this year. But then again, it is Lane Kiffin and he will probably figure someway to make someone mad.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Fisher is a USC alum, I don't think the stink is being made because he's the Titans' coach. The stink is being made because of unprofessionalism.

I really don't know why I ever defended Lane Kiffin, other than the fact he said things that most of us Vol fans wanted to hear. I know I look bad for taking shots at him, but he made us fans who believed in what he was doing look like even bigger idiots in the fans eyes who saw past the smoke screens. Sometimes you want to need to believe in someone or something so bad, that you are willing to look past what possible implications it could land you in. Everyone on this board has done that in some shape, form, or fashion in their life, and I'd say the majority of them cursed the person or thing that caused them to do so, after they let them down completely.
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No need to explain man... we know the feeling by now haha
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Fisher is one of the most highly regarded coaches in the NFL, and Kiffin doesn't even think about doing the right thing. Kiffin is trash.
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Yeah, look at all the winning Fisher has done. He just got hammered by a college guy. Why? Because he's been in the NFL since Lombardi was there and hasn't won anything. Suck it, Jeff.
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give_him 6 said:
With a new AD at USC, Kiffin better win this year. Unless he shocks all of us and wins the right way and doesn't cheat in recruiting (which will be hard with Coach O there) , I really doubt his tenure at USC will be very lengthy. He is old news and since they won't be in the polls or the bowls, hopefully we won't hear much about that team this year. But then again, it is Lane Kiffin and he will probably figure someway to make someone mad.
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Remind me how many times in his lengthy college career Orgeron has been called out by the 'AA. Making up lies is fun.
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, look at all the winning Fisher has done. He just got hammered by a college guy. Why? Because he's been in the NFL since Lombardi was there and hasn't won anything. Suck it, Jeff.
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That's mainly because the Titans front office has a hard time spending the money to get the "elite" players. Also, when Bud Adams gets out of the way during the draft, the Titans will do much better.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
That's mainly because the Titans front office has a hard time spending the money to get the "elite" players. Also, when Bud Adams gets out of the way during the draft, the Titans will do much better.
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Yeah, it's someone else's fault he's coached forever and won nothing. Good to see you using Bud Adams as a crutch for Fisher but Lane Kiffin owns his own stay working for Alzheimer Al.
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, it's someone else's fault he's coached forever and won nothing. Good to see you using Bud Adams as a crutch for Fisher but Lane Kiffin owns his own stay working for Alzheimer Al.
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Kiffin isn't even in the same stratosphere are Jeff Fisher. Jeff Fisher has probably had more staff turnover than any other current HC in the NFL, yet he still produces wins. Fisher also probably gave arguably one of the best coaching jobs in NFL history during the 2001 season.

Trying to mention Fisher and Kiffin in the same sentence is an insult to Fisher.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Kiffin isn't even in the same stratosphere are Jeff Fisher. Jeff Fisher has probably had more staff turnover than any other current HC in the NFL, yet he still produces wins. Fisher also probably gave arguably one of the best coaching jobs in NFL history during the 2001 season.

Trying to mention Fisher and Kiffin in the same sentence is an insult to Fisher.
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I love insulting Fisher KIFFIN KIFFIN KIFFIN KIFFIN KIFFIN KIFFIN KIFFIN.


(I don't care if Kiffin wasn't used in a grammatically correct manner, that just shows my hatred for Fisher and the Titans)
 
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