Kiffin's System

#27
#27
Leinart falling into the endzone for a winning TD or Ainge getting bodyslammed into the goalpost while throwing a pick-6?
 
#28
#28
kptvol said:
Leinart falling into the endzone for a winning TD or Ainge getting bodyslammed into the goalpost while throwing a pick-6?
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Didn't we win that game with Ainge? And that was an illegal play against ND. Reggie Bush clearly pushed Leinart in.
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#31
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Lockdown1 said:
Didn't we win that game with Ainge? And that was an illegal play against ND. Reggie Bush clearly pushed Leinart in.
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No, and no...

We won that game with Rick Clausen, Riggs, and a nice INT from our D (Hefney, I believe)...and pushing your teammate is not illegal
 
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VOLS85 said:
No, and no...

We won that game with Rick Clausen and Riggs...and pushing your player is not illegal
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Pushing your player is illegal check your rule book. I think it's called aiding the runner or something like that but it's illegal.
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#34
#34
Hard to say the push is what made the difference, anyway. Bush was several feet away from Leinart when he actually broke into the endzone.
 
#35
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Lockdown1 said:
Pushing your player is illegal check your rule book. I think it's called aiding the runner or something like that but it's illegal.
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I stand corrected, but ainge wasn't the QB, check your history
 
#38
#38
Sabanocchio said:
How you could forget who led us to victory in that game I have no idea. It fired up the controversy over who should start.
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I think people forget how Clausen actually did pretty well at the end of '04. His picking apart of TX A&M in their backyard was nothing short of impressive. The coaches are to blame for the headcase situation at QB in '05.
 
#39
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Sabanocchio said:
Apparently Ainge's talent is underrated by NFL scouts and the Jets too since they drafted a USC player to be the future of their team. And any of the guys you mention would have fared similarly in the SEC. You're just wrong here....yet again.
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Right, because the scouts are so incredibly brilliant and never make atomic-sized mistakes on QB's just because a guy has a cannon arm and nothing else, i.e. Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, etc. And of course the scouts were wise and sage beyond their surely ridiculous pay with Tom Brady, who was drafted a round later than Ainge. Drafting Sanchez this year was the single stupidest, most asinine thing any single owner (coach) has done in many, many drafts. It never fails to amaze me that a remarkable player that played for the Vols, could be bagged on by so many Vol fans, the people who should be standing up for him...Ainge threw for as many TDs his senior year as Matt Ryan did (31), with nine fewer interceptions and twenty fewer sacks, in a vastly tougher conference - with a broken finger on his throwing hand. What would Ryan have done with a broken finger? He would have sat on the bench and written poems to himself about how great he is. Then Ainge was the Offensive MVP in the Senior Bowl, the game that is hyped every year by scouts as an important measuring stick, and somehow they all just ignored it. He was 11-17 for 171 yards in less than a half and led the game-winning drive; he threw for more yards than all of the North quarterbacks (Booty, Henne, and Flacco) combined...And the scouts raved about Flacco going 2 of 7 for 22 yards (I actually read where one said he had a "great game.") Cutcliffe compared Ainge to both Mannings and said just before the 2008 draft that he thought Ainge had his best football still ahead of him, and yet the only time I've ever heard anyone on here pooh-pooh Cutcliffe's credentials is when his praise of Ainge is mentioned. I suppose the rival SEC coach who said after Ainge graduated that any other quarterback at TN, regardless of who it was, would likely be a letdown and that Ainge had simply been "remarkable," I suppose that coach also has no credibility and somehow had something to gain. Ainge has the same skillset as Brady and could be that good if he ever got the chance. The fact that it probably won't be with the Jets now says nothing about Ainge's ability, and everything about Ryan's intelligence, or rather significant lack thereof. About a week ago I read a post on the Jets board, by a Jets fan, who said he had seen Ainge and Sanchez both in several games, and that to him Ainge was far and away the better player; he then went on to say that Ainge, when healthy, could compete with anyone in the league. As in any NFL quarterback. But I'm sure Sabanocchio will make some derisive comment dismissing all of this because of course we look so much better as Vol fans when we belittle our best players rather than hope the best for them and correctly assess their abilities. Sabanocchio, Lockdown was right and you are decidedly, egregiously, demonstrably wrong.
 
#40
#40
walt2007 said:
Right, because the scouts are so incredibly brilliant and never make atomic-sized mistakes on QB's just because a guy has a cannon arm and nothing else, i.e. Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, etc. And of course the scouts were wise and sage beyond their surely ridiculous pay with Tom Brady, who was drafted a round later than Ainge. Drafting Sanchez this year was the single stupidest, most asinine thing any single owner (coach) has done in many, many drafts. It never fails to amaze me that a remarkable player that played for the Vols, could be bagged on by so many Vol fans, the people who should be standing up for him...Ainge threw for as many TDs his senior year as Matt Ryan did (31), with nine fewer interceptions and twenty fewer sacks, in a vastly tougher conference - with a broken finger on his throwing hand. What would Ryan have done with a broken finger? He would have sat on the bench and written poems to himself about how great he is. Then Ainge was the Offensive MVP in the Senior Bowl, the game that is hyped every year by scouts as an important measuring stick, and somehow they all just ignored it. He was 11-17 for 171 yards in less than a half and led the game-winning drive; he threw for more yards than all of the North quarterbacks (Booty, Henne, and Flacco) combined...And the scouts raved about Flacco going 2 of 7 for 22 yards (I actually read where one said he had a "great game.") Cutcliffe compared Ainge to both Mannings and said just before the 2008 draft that he thought Ainge had his best football still ahead of him, and yet the only time I've ever heard anyone on here pooh-pooh Cutcliffe's credentials is when his praise of Ainge is mentioned. I suppose the rival SEC coach who said after Ainge graduated that any other quarterback at TN, regardless of who it was, would likely be a letdown and that Ainge had simply been "remarkable," I suppose that coach also has no credibility and somehow had something to gain. Ainge has the same skillset as Brady and could be that good if he ever got the chance. The fact that it probably won't be with the Jets now says nothing about Ainge's ability, and everything about Ryan's intelligence, or rather significant lack thereof. About a week ago I read a post on the Jets board, by a Jets fan, who said he had seen Ainge and Sanchez both in several games, and that to him Ainge was far and away the better player; he then went on to say that Ainge, when healthy, could compete with anyone in the league. As in any NFL quarterback. But I'm sure Sabanocchio will make some derisive comment dismissing all of this because of course we look so much better as Vol fans when we belittle our best players rather than hope the best for them and correctly assess their abilities. Sabanocchio, Lockdown was right and you are decidedly, egregiously, demonstrably wrong.
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You obviously don't know me at all. I have been an Ainge supporter for the starting job ever since he set foot on campus and a huge fan. My point was not intended to be a knock on Ainge. I loved the guy -- the facts are though that he just isn't on the same level as Leinart or Palmer, or even Sanchez for that matter. This has nothing to do with JaMarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf. It's about Ainge vs. the USC QBs. Just because I am intelligent enough to recognize talent when I see it, doesn't mean I am against Eric Ainge so take your heated comments to somewhere where somebody gives a crap.
 
#41
#41
walt2007 said:
Right, because the scouts are so incredibly brilliant and never make atomic-sized mistakes on QB's just because a guy has a cannon arm and nothing else, i.e. Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, etc. And of course the scouts were wise and sage beyond their surely ridiculous pay with Tom Brady, who was drafted a round later than Ainge. Drafting Sanchez this year was the single stupidest, most asinine thing any single owner (coach) has done in many, many drafts. It never fails to amaze me that a remarkable player that played for the Vols, could be bagged on by so many Vol fans, the people who should be standing up for him...Ainge threw for as many TDs his senior year as Matt Ryan did (31), with nine fewer interceptions and twenty fewer sacks, in a vastly tougher conference - with a broken finger on his throwing hand. What would Ryan have done with a broken finger? He would have sat on the bench and written poems to himself about how great he is. Then Ainge was the Offensive MVP in the Senior Bowl, the game that is hyped every year by scouts as an important measuring stick, and somehow they all just ignored it. He was 11-17 for 171 yards in less than a half and led the game-winning drive; he threw for more yards than all of the North quarterbacks (Booty, Henne, and Flacco) combined...And the scouts raved about Flacco going 2 of 7 for 22 yards (I actually read where one said he had a "great game.") Cutcliffe compared Ainge to both Mannings and said just before the 2008 draft that he thought Ainge had his best football still ahead of him, and yet the only time I've ever heard anyone on here pooh-pooh Cutcliffe's credentials is when his praise of Ainge is mentioned. I suppose the rival SEC coach who said after Ainge graduated that any other quarterback at TN, regardless of who it was, would likely be a letdown and that Ainge had simply been "remarkable," I suppose that coach also has no credibility and somehow had something to gain. Ainge has the same skillset as Brady and could be that good if he ever got the chance. The fact that it probably won't be with the Jets now says nothing about Ainge's ability, and everything about Ryan's intelligence, or rather significant lack thereof. About a week ago I read a post on the Jets board, by a Jets fan, who said he had seen Ainge and Sanchez both in several games, and that to him Ainge was far and away the better player; he then went on to say that Ainge, when healthy, could compete with anyone in the league. As in any NFL quarterback. But I'm sure Sabanocchio will make some derisive comment dismissing all of this because of course we look so much better as Vol fans when we belittle our best players rather than hope the best for them and correctly assess their abilities. Sabanocchio, Lockdown was right and you are decidedly, egregiously, demonstrably wrong.
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That entire thought process is a blur. This is a message board...be short and sweet, or at least separate your paragraphs.

I caught the last two sentences, however, and Ainge was a good QB. However, he was not good enough to win us an SEC championship, and that's the gauge we hold our QB's up to. Hate it or not, it's reality.
 
#42
#42
Sabanocchio said:
You obviously don't know me at all. I have been an Ainge supporter for the starting job ever since he set foot on campus and a huge fan. My point was not intended to be a knock on Ainge. I loved the guy -- the facts are though that he just isn't on the same level as Leinart or Palmer, or even Sanchez for that matter. This has nothing to do with JaMarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf. It's about Ainge vs. the USC QBs. Just because I am intelligent enough to recognize talent when I see it, doesn't mean I am against Eric Ainge so take your heated comments to somewhere where somebody gives a crap.
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So Sab do you really think Leinart is as good as Palmer and Sanchez?
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#43
#43
i keep up with your posts on sectalk and now here and obviously i rarely post. You come off as more of a jerk than Spurrier. You need to realize that your opinion is not the gospel like you so believe, so get off your own sac.
 
#44
#44
Lockdown1 said:
So Sab do you really think Leinart is as good as Palmer and Sanchez?
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No. I don't. But he's in the same zip code. Yes, he benefited from having talent around him, but he did a lot on his own as well. I think Palmer and Sanchez will end up having the better pro careers and it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Matt Cassel have a better career than Leinart.
 
#45
#45
You can't argue results. That is all that we want. I don't care if Erik Ainge, yes that is a k, released the ball in a nanosecond, he got the job done with the best he had. Hell, even Quintin Hancock caught a touchdown pass from EA.
 
#46
#46
Sabanocchio said:
No. I don't. But he's in the same zip code. Yes, he benefited from having talent around him, but he did a lot on his own as well. I think Palmer and Sanchez will end up having the better pro careers and it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Matt Cassel have a better career than Leinart.
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He's not even in their zip code. His arm is horrible. The throw he made aginst ND on 4 down would have easily been picked off or batted down by a corner in the SEC. He's accurate to a degree but the NFL showed you how bad his arm is.
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#48
#48
Lockdown1 said:
He's not even in their zip code. His arm is horrible. The throw he made aginst ND on 4 down would have easily been picked off or batted down by a corner in the SEC. He's accurate to a degree but the NFL showed you how bad his arm is.
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He doesn't have a rocket arm, but he can make most NFL throws so I don't get how you say it is horrible. His future in the league is still an unknown. He may light it up after Warner retires or even beat him for the job. I've never been big on him though.
 
#49
#49
In summation, Kiffin will get a pocket quarterback with a good arm and protect him with a solid O-line...

...he's not looking for a runner
 
#50
#50
Sabanocchio said:
He doesn't have a rocket arm, but he can make most NFL throws so I don't get how you say it is horrible. His future in the league is still an unknown. He may light it up after Warner retires or even beat him for the job. I've never been big on him though.
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His career is over with. And he can't make any of the throws that matter. He won't beat him out for the job either. He should have done it by now. He didn't produce with Fitzgerald, Boldin, and Breaston. He has no excuses for being unproductive.
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