Kim Caldwell (Rookie Coach of the Year-WBCA) is named Head Coach of Iconic Lady Vols WBB

[Volstylexx]

Jackson State. Different school . Also, I agree with you.

Ooops. Thank you for the clarification.

 

[FLAVOLS]

Just to state the blatantly obvious reality-- The biggest PR blunder in history would be UT hiring a man for this job. The position is the most important in women's basketball. Giving it to a man would be a big orange train wreck.

Deer God! Hyperbole much? You can’t be serious. How about doing something unusual in today’s times and hire the BEST person, or in this case, coach available! This decree from you is short sighted and narrow minded.

 

[volman128]

I think Kenny Brooks would have been a great choice. But we let UK snatch him up. To me I think the main targets should be (in no particular order) Cori Close, Lindsay Gottlieb, Scott Rueck, Becky Hammon and Wes Moore. I’ve heard Gail Goestenkors might be in the running.

 

[volman128]

Danny White doesn't fire Kellie this year to go hire the coach from Jacksonville State.

If we hire another mid major coach or an assistant there is no reason to have even fired Kellie.

 

[WVU05UT09]

Per 2, I am not convinced that this stance is just a boomer thing tied to memories of Pat.

The larger socio-cultural issue is that men can be legit candidates for both men's and womens head coaching jobs (at both the college and pro levels) whereas women remain confined to the realm of women's sports. It's always "hire the best candidate regardless of gender" when it comes to a women's coaching job but you never hear that mantra when a men's job becomes open do you? It is just assumed that women are not legit candidates and only men need to apply or be discussed. Good women coaches can get an assistant job here and there on the men's side but that seems to be the current limit.

So, there is an underlying equity issue. If the best women's coaches could also move between the men's and women's teams, then there would be no issue. Until that day comes, we have to recognize the playing field is not level or equitable.

Another consideration-- almost all the female coaching talent is loaded into the women;s game whereas the men's is split. So, that kind of makes your odds better with a woman hire.

I hear all of that but when I look at far more "liberal" institutions like Ohio State University and the University of Texas that still ended up with men I wonder how much even equity really matters when the chips are down. Hell at UTA the legend of Jody Conradt couldn't stop Del Conte from hiring Vic. So I'm left to conclude the only thing that will hold the tide at UT is the legend of Pat Summit. That legend, however strong it may be, will fade with time. Some will shake their head at that notion. Test it. Go ask a group of 12-18 year old girls playing athletics who Pat Summit is? I asked a group of AAU softball girls a couple years ago if they knew who Dot Richardson, Lisa Fernandez, and Michelle Smith were? Lots of blank stares. I then said ok what about Pat Summit. Maybe 30% of the group did. I've heard same thing from tennis coaches about Billy Jean King. The historical pass down in womens sports has not been done.

 

[butchna]

Deer God! Hyperbole much? You can’t be serious. How about doing something unusual in today’s times and hire the BEST person, or in this case, coach available! This decree from you is short sighted and narrow minded.

IMPOSSIBLE…he knows people.

 

[volman128]

Just to state the blatantly obvious reality-- The biggest PR blunder in history would be UT hiring a man for this job. The position is the most important in women's basketball. Giving it to a man would be a big orange train wreck.

First, this is incorrect, and two, the best person out there would be Wes Moore. If he is interested, he should get the job. The next best choices would be Close, Gottlieb and Hammon.

 

[glv98]

Kellie wouldn’t be the only coach to be reluctant to recruit players who were only after the biggest offer. It just didn’t work for her. All of this assuming that was indeed the case, of course.

Don't think that was the case at all. Kellie was never career suicidal. They begged for NIL help. We were told they finally got it, right before she got fired. The LVs got off to a janky start w NIL bc of some uncertainty with having a seperate collective. Which they do. Also could be that potential donors sensed KJH job was uncertain and came around in support of a new hire. Any new hire is going to want a bag awaiting. Kenny Brooks talked about how important that was in his decision to go to KY. Has to be independently raised from the school.

I think Tomekia Reed is a good move Tennessee need to move away from the Pat Summit tree and try something new

From the always impeccable source Xitter, Jackson State Coach Tomekia Reed is presumably in the consideration set.

She is an interesting option. She has done really well at Jackson State and her contract is up and the big fish coaches Dawn and Geno are singing her praises....

I agree w those who say this kind of hire, nothing against this coach personally, says the home run hires said no. An up and comer is unlikely to be able to bring with her the kind of players we need. Also would be a gamble as to recruiting on this level and performance against SEC competition. If we're gambling again, things didn't go as we'd hoped.

2) The Lady Vols job is not a great fit/ideal situation for a male candidate for another 15-20 years until the boomers reach late age/die due to them holding the torch about Pat Summit and where the Tennessee job fits in the history of womens athletics. Not judging that opinion to be right or wrong. Just saying as long as a substantial minority of the fan base holds it, then the job is not ideal for a man.

Probably just my personal bias, but I think the number of Lady Vol fans (and donors) who would still insist on a female is very, very small and not any more influential than anyone else. Vocal and passionate for sure, but small. So much is changing so fast in college sports that kind of feels so old timey.

Someday, somehow he are going to hire the best human person for this job. I hope I live to see that day. In fact I hope it's this week.

BTW, the coach I think we may well end up w is a middle age ish WOC, the Syracuse coach. I think she would be at the top of the semi-compromise list.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

Deer God! Hyperbole much? You can’t be serious. How about doing something unusual in today’s times and hire the BEST person, or in this case, coach available! This decree from you is short sighted and narrow minded.

Your illiteracy almost eclipses your poor reasoning. Well done, sir.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

First, this is incorrect, and two, the best person out there would be Wes Moore. If he is interested, he should get the job. The next best choices would be Close, Gottlieb and Hammon.

First, then “two”. Ask someone to help you locate your pants.

 

[volman128]

Exactly... What is more likely

Karl Smesko
Wes Moore
Jeff Walz
Bart Brooks
Lisa Fortier
Kim Stephens
Molly Miller

Kim and Molly both being swing for the fences types of hire. I think Karl or Kim would do great here if they have interest. The others have great track records for longer periods of time.

April Fool’s Day was yesterday

 

[volforlife10]

I think Kenny Brooks would have been a great choice. But we let UK snatch him up. To me I think the main targets should be (in no particular order) Cori Close, Lindsay Gottlieb, Scott Rueck, Becky Hammon and Wes Moore. I’ve heard Gail Goestenkors might be in the running.

all mentioned would be great choices for the job. only one i’d be careful with is rueck after his previous years (this year was a huge positive for him). if he can bring some of his roster though, i’m all for it.

 

[FLAVOLS]

Your illiteracy almost eclipses your poor reasoning. Well done, sir.

LOL….did you misplace your pot Mr. Kettle. Or is it “functional” illiteracy on your part?

 

[volman128]

First, then “two”. Ask someone to help you locate your pants.

When you go to attacking someone’s grammar, you know you’ve lost the argument.

 

[YankeeVol]

Just to state the blatantly obvious reality-- The biggest PR blunder in history would be UT hiring a man for this job. The position is the most important in women's basketball. Giving it to a man would be a big orange train wreck.

You forgot the blue font right?

 

[BisonVol]

Don't think that was the case at all. Kellie was never career suicidal. They begged for NIL help. We were told they finally got it, right before she got fired. The LVs got off to a janky start w NIL bc of some uncertainty with having a seperate collective. Which they do. Also could be that potential donors sensed KJH job was uncertain and came around in support of a new hire. Any new hire is going to want a bag awaiting. Kenny Brooks talked about how important that was in his decision to go to KY. Has to be independently raised from the school.



I agree w those who say this kind of hire, nothing against this coach personally, says the home run hires said no. An up and comer is unlikely to be able to bring with her the kind of players we need. Also would be a gamble as to recruiting on this level and performance against SEC competition. If we're gambling again, things didn't go as we'd hoped.

Probably just my personal bias, but I think the number of Lady Vol fans (and donors) who would still insist on a female is very, very small and not any more influential than anyone else. Vocal and passionate for sure, but small. So much is changing so fast in college sports that kind of feels so old timey.

Someday, somehow he are going to hire the best human person for this job. I hope I live to see that day. In fact I hope it's this week.

BTW, the coach I think we may well end up w is a middle age ish WOC, the Syracuse coach. I think she would be at the top of the semi-compromise list.

Do we know that about NIL really, though? That’s what Earl said, and a lot of people were more than happy to run with it in order to defend Kellie, but recent events have proven he may not have been in the know as much as he proclaimed to be. I’m not aware of any actual reports that backup that the Lady Vols basketball program didn’t have competitive NIL.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

When you go to attacking someone’s grammar, you know you’ve lost the argument.

When you can’t form a thought, you don’t have an argument. If you’re so feeble that you don’t understand the significance of the hire, I can’t help you.

 

[volman128]

When you can’t form a thought, you don’t have an argument. If you’re so feeble that you don’t understand the significance of the hire, I can’t help you.

I formed a thought. My thought was I disagree with your bullsh*t statement, *which I already stated*.

 

[YankeeVol]

I think Kenny Brooks would have been a great choice. But we let UK snatch him up. To me I think the main targets should be (in no particular order) Cori Close, Lindsay Gottlieb, Scott Rueck, Becky Hammon and Wes Moore. I’ve heard Gail Goestenkors might be in the running.

Wes Moore = an older KJH.

You don't fire KJH to hire a 60+ woman who hasn't coached in over a decade and was relevant coaching almost 2 decades ago.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

I formed a thought. My thought was I disagree with your bullsh*t statement.

You might want to wipe after forming thoughts like that.

 

[volman128]

You might want to wipe after forming thoughts like that.

Why are you being such an assh0le?

 

[madtownvol]

I hear all of that but when I look at far more "liberal" institutions like Ohio State University and the University of Texas that still ended up with men I wonder how much even equity really matters when the chips are down. Hell at UTA the legend of Jody Conradt couldn't stop Del Conte from hiring Vic. So I'm left to conclude the only thing that will hold the tide at UT is the legend of Pat Summit. That legend, however strong it may be, will fade with time. Some will shake their head at that notion. Test it. Go ask a group of 12-18 year old girls playing athletics who Pat Summit is? I asked a group of AAU softball girls a couple years ago if they knew who Dot Richardson, Lisa Fernandez, and Michelle Smith were? I then said ok what about Pat Summit. Maybe 30% of the group did. The historical pass down in womens sports has not been done.

In the cutthroat world of D1 comp, most AD would probably hire Jeffrey Dahmer if that could guarantee a championship and once that banner gets hung, the fan base would decide that one should not be so judgmental about cannibalism.

So yes, programs will hire a male women's b-ball coach if they think that is their best option (and I sure that could happen here to). Flipside, the best candidate is by definition never a woman when it comes to the men's program. I was just explaining that people can have a logical reason for wanting women to hold women;s coaching jobs (given the current glass ceiling) and it is not all nostalgia for Pat Summitt.

 

[creekdipper]

Lot a rationalization going on up in here!

Y'all gon' make me lose my min'....

 

[ERvolsfan]

Names I really like are... (in no order)

- Lindsay Gottlieb(USC) 294-160=65% 10+ yrs exp

- Lisa Fortier (Zags) 265-63= 81% 10 years exp

- Brenda Frese (MD) 639-191= 77% 20 yrs exp

- Lindy La Rocque(UNLV) 102-22= 82% 4 yrs exp

- Kim Stephens/Caldwell (Marshal) 217-31=87% 8 yrs exp

- Niele Ivey (ND) 89-32= 74% 4 yrs exp

- Becky Hammon(WNBA) 60-16= 79%

- Carla Berube(Princeton) 484-113= 81% 20 yrs exp

- Jennie Baranczyk (OU) 266-122=69% 13 yrs exp.

- Jeff Walz (Louisville) 464-135=78% 17 years exp

 

[Ratvol]

Wes Moore = an older KJH.

You don't fire KJH to hire a 60+ woman who hasn't coached in over a decade and was relevant coaching almost 2 decades ago.

Wes is where Kellie has never been as a coach. It’s called the Final Four.