Kim Caldwell (Rookie Coach of the Year-WBCA) is named Head Coach of Iconic Lady Vols WBB

[glv98]

SC made their group NIL announcement public when it was created, you must have missed the memo 4 years ago. No other school has chosen to reveal any info on their NIL arrangements. That is to be expected, as these arrangements are made between private/corporate entities and student athletes. Since NIL has been around, it is legal for a student athlete to make money on their name, image and likeness. The athletes could make their NIL information public if they chose, but nobody else can. Would you be cool releasing your statement of earned wages out to the public/internet/social media? This however does not stop the internet warriors from speculating about, posting and creating their version of "facts" as it relates to NIL. Don't believe anything you read about NIL $ unless it comes from the athlete or their employer/sponsor. The rest is all BS.

I think I'm missing the point, but I didn't miss the memo. That's how I knew the amount. Which you challenged me on, saying it was all wild, baseless speculation right before confirming it was correct. Because it was public record info.

Also, I understand the rules of individual NIL and have never questioned that. Agaiin, I'm not sure the outrage.

 

[james_govols]

New coach has to recruit at an elite level. That's the #1 priority.

Second priority is being able to coach.

I would say 60/40.

With that said, I think ADDW should hire Deion Sanders as the next coach of the Lady Vols.

 

[glv98]

Well because it takes the heat off of DW. The big bad donors made me do it.
I am not saying they did but where are local reporters getting that story from?

Ultimately, the big bad donors make them do almost everything. That's generally accepted. I'm sure the locals picked up the story fm the AD. Doesn't make it wrong, esp when it makes perfect sense. And it's good news, except for poor Kellie. The damn bag is finally in place however it got there.

 

[Majors]

Last time I promise. Not once did anyone ever say NIL in special circumstances could not be drummed up. It's the consistent across the board salary bag that was lacking.

I'm not sure why ya'll are still insisting on such an absolutist view on this at this point. It's pretty clear to see the path and it doesn't rehab KJH one bit. Why would AD leak such a story (NIL donors waiting for a coaching change) to local media if it weren't true? Of course he wants it known there is now $$$ in place. Not sure where any conflict or cover up comes in.

It wasn’t lacking. RJ showed that

Top 5 portal class isn’t free. Results should have been better to show promise.

 

[glv98]

It wasn’t lacking. RJ showed that

Top 5 portal class isn’t free. Results should have been better to show promise.

No bag would ever be lacking for RJ. That would be found somehow anywhere.

But you know what, the damn bag is now in place and we'll never agree on how, when or where it arrived. First huge step is it's in place or else DW would not be attempting a program saving hire. That's the good news.

 

[Majors]

New coach has to recruit at an elite level. That's the #1 priority.

Second priority is being able to coach.

I would say 60/40.

With that said, I think ADDW should hire Deion Sanders as the next coach of the Lady Vols.

I’d flip the 1 and 2.

If you can coach, you can maximize recruits. If you can’t coach, it doesn’t matter who you have.

 

[Rooster1]

I think I'm missing the point, but I didn't miss the memo. That's how I knew the amount. Which you challenged me on, saying it was all wild, baseless speculation right before confirming it was correct. Because it was public record info.

Also, I understand the rules of individual NIL and have never questioned that. Agaiin, I'm not sure the outrage.

You bring up the one and only case of a public announcement on a NIL matter and that is your proof that all of the other NIL talk and innuendos being thrown around in a haphazard and undocumented manner are legit? Nobody challenged you on the one deal SC made public four years ago. You were asked to back up all the NIL talk and rumors about numbers and situations which have been kept private and not released to the public.

 

[Majors]

Can’t see any California coaches coming to Tennessee if they pay any attention to politics unless they feel like a fish out of water in California.

If they paid attention to politics, they probably wouldn’t live in CA. Reverse uno your insult to the state of Tennessee.

 

[WVU05UT09]

Oh I have zero doubt most LV fans hate this. It's awful. But if confidence in KJH was as bad across the board of administrators and donors as it appears to have been, waiting another year would have only made it worse, like the extra Holly year.

We're at a tipping point where alot of longtime fans even want to follow anymore the way things have changed. And ironically, IMO it's not going to last all that long before salaries get brought in house to schools, rules and reg start to apply, and all sports get a fair share. KJH happened to fall in the Wild West window, actually got her fingers stuck btw the covid window and the NIL wild west era. Just couldn't stay afloat in all that.

Salaries will reside somewhere--either an incorporated shell entity of the school or with the conference. That's what is being worked out now.

NIL will still play a role though. It will separate top dawgs from bottom dawgs in the SEC and Big Ten.

 

[glv98]

Oh, so now you can state for a fact that AD White has leaked a story to the press. Did he tell you that in confidence? I swear, some people will type stuff and act like its true when they could not know. Now, show us proof the AD leaked a story, or else edit your post to be accurate by stating "In my opinion", "It is my understanding, based upon...", "I am speculating about this, however..." etc. etc. etc... You typed it just as if it were a well known fact and was backed by evidence. Which of course it wasn't, it was always just a statement you threw out there. If you disagree, then back up your initial claim with some evidence, not speculation and innuendo.

Sheesh, you're on one this morning. Text of local sports columnist John Adams was posted earlier detailing the story of donors withholding NIL for high school recruits for a new coach. Since the AD has a clamp on info, it's reasonable to think JA got his info from his longtime AD sources, which are the only current sources of info. This story has been retold on local sports media. It's not something I "threw out there" nor did the poster who posted the Adams interview. They were direct quotes.

Sorry if I violated conduct codes and you should probably report me. Whether the info was leaked to the reporter by the AD or if his wife said it in her sleep is indeed something I cannot know for sure. Didn't realize that aspect was so important.

 

[Volfaninfl2]

He’s a far superior coach yet he took him 15 years to get a D-1 job, KJH fell into one in her 20’s. P5 jobs are above her skill set, she’s had 9-10 years and 2 jobs and the results are the same.

You are ignoring that Kellie took TN to the Sweet Sixteen twice, and the second round twice in the four possible years of going to the NCAA Tournament. The year before that, she took Missouri State to the Sweet Sixteen.

In the eleven years WM has been at NC ST, he did not make it to the NCAA tournament his second and third year, in his 5th, 6th, and 8th years, he got to the Sweet Sixteen, 9th year Elite Eight, 10th year out in first round, and this year, his eleventh year at NC ST, is the highest he’s gone.

He’s 20 years older than Kellie and his best accomplishment is in the last three years. He’s spent twice the time at NC ST as Coach Kellie has been at TN. Both are good Coaches, he’s just had more time to accomplish more, and eleven years at the same school.

 

[Brawlvol]

You are ignoring that Kellie took TN to the Sweet Sixteen twice, and the second round twice in the four possible years of going to the NCAA Tournament. The year before that, she took Missouri State to the Sweet Sixteen.

In the eleven years WM has been at NC ST, he did not make it to the NCAA tournament his second and third year, in his 5th, 6th, and 8th years, he got to the Sweet Sixteen, 9th year Elite Eight, 10th year out in first round, and this year, his eleventh year at NC ST, is the highest he’s gone.

He’s 20 years older than Kellie and his best accomplishment is in the last three years. He’s spent twice the time at NC ST as Coach Kellie has been at TN. Both are good Coaches, he’s just had more time to accomplish more, and eleven years at the same school.

He wants coach at Tennessee, period.

 

[Majors]

Well because it takes the heat off of DW. The big bad donors made me do it.
I am not saying they did but where are local reporters getting that story from?

12-37, that’s where the story comes from. DW did his job, when the last staff didn’t.

 

[VolCalls]

You are ignoring that Kellie took TN to the Sweet Sixteen twice, and the second round twice in the four possible years of going to the NCAA Tournament. The year before that, she took Missouri State to the Sweet Sixteen.

In the eleven years WM has been at NC ST, he did not make it to the NCAA tournament his second and third year, in his 5th, 6th, and 8th years, he got to the Sweet Sixteen, 9th year Elite Eight, 10th year out in first round, and this year, his eleventh year at NC ST, is the highest he’s gone.

He’s 20 years older than Kellie and his best accomplishment is in the last three years. He’s spent twice the time at NC ST as Coach Kellie has been at TN. Both are good Coaches, he’s just had more time to accomplish more, and eleven years at the same school.

The worst four-year stretch of Pat’s career was a first-round exit, two sweet sixteens and an elite eight, which were the results her last four seasons at the helm.

I know the climate is different today than it was a decade ago, but like it or not, that is the standard for this program. KJH didn’t come close.

 

[Jimmy Football]

Any grumors?

Heard Hammon owns land in East Tennessee. TIFWIW

 

[Volfaninfl2]

Except that after 5 seasons the AD made the judgement call that he needed new leadership to get the team to a higher level, which I think a majority of the LV fans agree with. CKH has a long career of results and if you were hoping for a 180 in the next few seasons than you and your AD see it differently.

So nice to see your continual SC fan comments here. Since TN beat your unbeaten team this year until the ref let you keep the ball after an uncalled SC double dribble, I’m sure you and your coach are relieved that Kellie is gone. No need for you to stomp around here.

 

[Volfaninfl2]

The worst four-year stretch of Pat’s career was a first-round exit, two sweet sixteens and an elite eight, which were the results her last four seasons at the helm.

I know the climate is different today than it was a decade ago, but like it or not, that is the standard for this program. KJH didn’t come close.

That is ridiculous.

 

[VOLSBEERS1992]

Some of the names being thrown out are absurd. Candace Parker? Are you kidding? With all due to Holly and Kellie who gave their all for the lady vols, twice in a row we have hired coaches without the actual coaching resume for this job simply because they were a great player here. It hasn't worked. It would be insanity to try that again.

Hire someone who is proven to be a big time coach, not just someone who is closely connected to the program or played here. We are a top 5 brand in the sport. At one time we were the unquestioned #1 brand in women's basketball. We need a coaching search that capitalizes on that, not one that's handcuffed by the tiny pool of it having to be a former player.

 

[Majors]

Oh I have zero doubt most LV fans hate this. It's awful. But if confidence in KJH was as bad across the board of administrators and donors as it appears to have been, waiting another year would have only made it worse, like the extra Holly year.

We're at a tipping point where alot of longtime fans even want to follow anymore the way things have changed. And ironically, IMO it's not going to last all that long before salaries get brought in house to schools, rules and reg start to apply, and all sports get a fair share. KJH happened to fall in the Wild West window, actually got her fingers stuck btw the covid window and the NIL wild west era. Just couldn't stay afloat in all that.

More concerning is those LV fans that wanted to give her another year or in Lucy’s case 2 years. Or acting insulted she was fired. Big problem for those that had no issues watching the program go into further decline all so they could have one of their own at the helm.

 

[OrangeInKy]

The worst four-year stretch of Pat’s career was a first-round exit, two sweet sixteens and an elite eight, which were the results her last four seasons at the helm.

I know the climate is different today than it was a decade ago, but like it or not, that is the standard for this program. KJH didn’t come close.

Exactly, and I think we all know that the last couple of years Pat was affected by that thief of a disease. Holly was running the show the last year, for the most part. It was horrific to see her career end like that.

 

[OrangeInKy]

Some of the names being thrown out are absurd. Candace Parker? Are you kidding? With all due to Holly and Kellie who gave their all for the lady vols, twice in a row we have hired coaches without the actual coaching resume for this job simply because they were a great player here. It hasn't worked. It would be insanity to try that again.

Hire someone who is proven to be a big time coach, not just someone who is closely connected to the program or played here. We are a top 5 brand in the sport. At one time we were the unquestioned #1 brand in women's basketball. We need a coaching search that capitalizes on that, not one that's handcuffed by the tiny pool of it having to be a former player.

Same people who wanted Peyton Manning to coach the football team.

 

[OrangeInKy]

More concerning is those LV fans that wanted to give her another year or in Lucy’s case 2 years. Or acting insulted she was fired. Big problem for those that had no issues watching the program go into further decline all so they could have one of their own at the helm.

That’s what confuses me so much. They rightly revere Pat’s legacy and dominance but also rue the fact that it is the standard here. It doesn’t make sense.

 

[glv98]

More concerning is those LV fans that wanted to give her another year or in Lucy’s case 2 years. Or acting insulted she was fired. Big problem for those that had no issues watching the program go into further decline all so they could have one of their own at the helm.

What I was hoping was NIL would get straightened out and she'd be able to bring in some players and get back on track. I underestimated, probably due to my own fondness for her and how she runs things, how much she had lost the admin and donor base. I always thought the extra year would be a risk, esp if she didn't kill the portal again, but I thought possibly worth it for a housecleaning the next yr when most of current roster is gone anyway. I can see with the widespread lack of confidence, sealed by the 1.1, wasn't a risk DW was willing to take. Still sad though.

 

[Volfan2012]

Ultimately, the big bad donors make them do almost everything. That's generally accepted. I'm sure the locals picked up the story fm the AD. Doesn't make it wrong, esp when it makes perfect sense. And it's good news, except for poor Kellie. The damn bag is finally in place however it got there.

We knew NIL was bad for Kellie now we have some information if not direct evidence why it was bad. Do I believe the next coach will have more than sufficient NIL money for the basketball program. Yes I do. Do I believe that Kellie didn't for the same reasons that the next coach will. Yes I do.

 

[turbovol]

If they paid attention to politics, they probably wouldn’t live in CA. Reverse uno your insult to the state of Tennessee.

Ha, ha---funny.