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UGA wont get in for the simple fact that noone wants to see them lose to bama yet again on the national stage.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I disagree with this. There will always be an argument over the last team in to a playoff field voted on by a committee, just like there is in the NCAA basketball tournament... but the college football playoff has solved the problem of getting the "odd man out" in. We won't have a scenario again like Auburn in 2004, who went undefeated in the SEC but was denied a shot at playing for the National Championship. You can make a case for Georgia being in the playoff but if they are left out, they haven't been screwed. They had their shot at Alabama and lost.
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The four-team limit is what makes the cfb playoff ridiculous. When people are arguing about teams hovering around 68 for the NCAAs, it's easy to dismiss the teams whose bubbles pop. It's very likely that the second best team in cfb this season is not going to be in the playoff. That would not happen in the NCAAs.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
The four-team limit is what makes the cfb playoff ridiculous. When people are arguing about teams hovering around 68 for the NCAAs, it's easy to dismiss the teams whose bubbles pop. It's very likely that the second best team in cfb this season is not going to be in the playoff. That would not happen in the NCAAs.
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...but that 2nd best team just lost to the best team and they already had a loss to begin with (by 20 points). They aren't being screwed because they don't get a rematch with Alabama 4 weeks later.
 
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Under the current format, there is no way Georgia should be in the playoffs.

Having said that, the current format is stupid, as was every single one of its predecessors. Every other division of college football has figured this out, but the top division can't?! Out of 129 teams in FBS, you take four???

Winning, or losing, your conference should mean something. If there is that much disparity between the power 5 conferences and the others, fine, put them in their own division and let them do their own thing. History has proven, however, that those schools can compete with power 5 schools on more than one occasion.

Give each conference champion an automatic bid (currently 10), figure out how many at-large bids you want (2, 4, or 6; because you'll have years when an independent like Army or UMASS has a good season), then be done with it.
 
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midtnvol2 said:
Didn't say anything about any bias, simply stated that the original qualifing step to the playoffs was that you had to be a power 5 conference champion. Thats why the big 12 had to put a title game in place back when it originated. I agree that there is a bias towards Bama and is pushed by the SEC office and their representative on the selection board IMO.
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Conference championships were never a requirement. Don't know where you get that.
 
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voltnh said:
Under the current format, there is no way Georgia should be in the playoffs.

Having said that, the current format is stupid, as was every single one of its predecessors. Every other division of college football has figured this out, but the top division can't?! Out of 129 teams in FBS, you take four???

Winning, or losing, your conference should mean something. If there is that much disparity between the power 5 conferences and the others, fine, put them in their own division and let them do their own thing. History has proven, however, that those schools can compete with power 5 schools on more than one occasion.

Give each conference champion an automatic bid (currently 10), figure out how many at-large bids you want (2, 4, or 6; because you'll have years when an independent like Army or UMASS has a good season), then be done with it.
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It will eventually move to an 8 team playoff with the Power 5 Conference Champions getting automatic bids and then 3 at large teams voted on by a committee (and there will still be controversy over who gets in and who doesn't - it's unavoidable). The obstacle to that, is the number of overall games played - I think 16 is too many for the college game. They will have to agree to scale back the regular season to 11 games and although that just means everyone eliminating their one out of conference "cupcake" - not everyone will want to lose that additional revenue... There will have to be some form of revenue sharing from the additional playoff games agreed on by the Power 5 Conferences. This is probably about 10 years away... but it will happen.
 
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midtnvol2 said:
No matter how you determine the national champion, the first one on the outside looking in has historically whinned about being left out. This playoff was originally set up to have the top four conference champions in a playoff setting. If Kirby wants to be in it, win the SEC championship. The players aren't being paid, we don't need to add more games to satisfy the whiners.
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Yes, the current system makes the conference championship games a task with no reward. You should never be allowed in the final 4 without a championship belt. It's ridiculous for UGA to make the tournament after losing their last game, same for Bama last season. The final choices should be made from only conference champions which would mean you must make and win your conference for a chance at the national title.
 
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Kirby Smart? More like Kirby Dumb!




I think with as much talent as Georgia will have the next two years, they probably win the SEC Championship and a national title. They played much better than I expected them to last night.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
Yes, the current system makes the conference championship games a task with no reward. You should never be allowed in the final 4 without a championship belt. It's ridiculous for UGA to make the tournament after losing their last game, same for Bama last season. The final choices should be made from only conference champions which would mean you must make and win your conference for a chance at the national title.
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So you would have been good with this playoff:

1. 12-1 Georgia
2. 10-3 Texas
3. 10-3 Washington
4. 9-4 Northwestern

Nice
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
And why not call a timeout when he saw that Alabama had dropped into punt safe and change out of it? Alabama had every gunner covered plus a safety in the middle on 4th and 11. It wasn't a situation where Alabama realized Justin Fields was in the game and sniffed it out at the last second. Alabama was playing for the fake all the way. That never had a chance.
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Dead on. It is a bad sign when a coach is either too dumb or too stubborn to know/admit his mistakes.

He has put this on his players, which is a pathetic move.
 
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bamawriter said:
So you would have been good with this playoff:

1. 12-1 Georgia
2. 10-3 Texas
3. 10-3 Washington
4. 9-4 Northwestern

Nice
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Wait a minute... Where's Clemson? You're trying too hard to make a point and tripping over yourself in the process. The ACC is a Power 5 Conference.

... and you can never forget about Notre Dame either. They are always treated like a Conference unto themselves.
 
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bamawriter said:
Conference championships were never a requirement. Don't know where you get that.
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The committee has been instructed to place an emphasis on strength of schedule, head-to-head matchups and conference championships per NCAA website.
 
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Conference champ has never been the main criteria for getting in and shouldn't. It's the 4 best teams. Bama didn't last year and was obviously the best team in the country in the end. Not only that but conferences aren't built the same and the sec takes a beating because of it. How many sec teams could have won the other conference championships? Georgia would prob win every one except maybe against Clemson.

I think Kyler Murray is a phenomenal athlete but do you seriously think he would have put up the same numbers in the sec like he has against teams that's literally like playing 7 on 7?

It's like us having to play Bama every year, especially the last 10 years. Pretty much a guaranteed lost and now with Georgia being elite we could literally go 10-2 and not even make the sec championship and still be a top 5 team. We wouldn't be ranked 5th with 2 loses but if we played Bama and Georgia to close loses like last night it would be hard not to say that we aren't one of the top teams in the country. That's assuming that we will get back to where we're capable which I don't think we will in the near future. Or you could put Florida in that position.

I'm not a fan of 8 teams. I would be for 6.
 
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bamawriter said:
You just said you should have to win a conference championship to make the playoff. Notre Dame did not win a conference.
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Somebody else said that - I am calling for an 8 team playoff with 3 at large bids as well. Notre Dame is always treated as a conference unto themselves like I said. There is no chance of them not playing for a National Championship if they are undefeated. We all know that.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I don't know about Clemson or OSU, but UGA would wax ND or OK. All the national pundits are parsing it as best teams vs most deserving teams. Of course, when you advocate most deserving over best, you open the conversation to UCF.
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Which IMO UCF would get destroyed by everyone in the top ten, not just the top four or six.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Somebody else said that - I am calling for an 8 team playoff with 3 at large bids as well. Notre Dame is always treated as a conference unto themselves like I said. There is no chance of them not playing for a National Championship if they are undefeated. We all know that.
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Sorry, got mixed up.

Either way, I was responding to someone saying you should have to win your conference. How Notre Dame is treated now is irrelevant to that hypothetical.
 
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DC_Vol said:
why not go back to the old system? The college football playoffs have solved few of the problems the proponents claimed.

Now it’s like the government argument. It doesn’t work right so we need more of it.
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First of all, a gigantic LOL to going back to the "old way"; the 4 team playoff is still better than anything we've had because at least it's an attempt at a playoff.

Second, it actually has solved some problems; the main problem is, no system is going to solve every problem and people just start whining louder.

The idea that the "old" ways of doing things was better is quite ridiculous, unless you just want to do away with the idea of a national champion. Because the old system of the #1 team playing in the Sugar and the #2 play in the Rose and then we wait around for people to vote on who was best was one of the dumbest setups I've ever seen.
 
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