KKK statue in Alabama

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Toujours Pret said:
So a statue dedicated to a general = a statue supporting the KKK?
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I was thinking the same thing. There are several statues and monuments of him in Tennessee. Even a building at MTSU is named after him.

Edit: nevermind. Just noticed this statue specifically notes his ties to the kkk.
 
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volfan6782 said:
I was thinking the same thing. There are several statues and monuments of him in Tennessee. Even a building at MTSU is named after him.
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That disgusts me.

Yes, it's protected under the first amendment, so I would never want to force them to take it down, but it's still disgusting.
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
Read the article if you don't know what Forrest did.
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I know more about Forrest than you ever will. If my glasses are clean, the inscription on the pedestal says 'Defender of Selma, Wizard in the saddle, untutored genius, get there first with the most'.

Dedicated to Forrest for his actions opposing Wilson's raid. I don't see anything about the Klan on it.
 
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volfan6782 said:
I was thinking the same thing. There are several statues and monuments of him in Tennessee. Even a building at MTSU is named after him.
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I know this board (outside of lg) at large sometimes has difficulty admitting there just some plain-old racist a-holes out there, but this statue does praise him for leading the KKK.
 
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Toujours Pret said:
I know more about Forrest than you ever will. If my glasses are clean, the inscription on the pedestal says 'Defender of Selma, Wizard in the saddle, untutored genius, get there first with the most'.

Dedicated to Forrest for his actions opposing Wilson's raid. I don't see anything about the Klan on it.
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All they had to do was pick up a thesaurus to find a descriptor for him other than 'wizard'

We all know just what the hell that means.
 
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milohimself said:
I know this board (outside of lg) at large sometimes has difficulty admitting there just some plain-old racist a-holes out there, but this statue does praise him for leading the KKK.
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I edited my post to reflect that. I didn't realize that at first glance.
 
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milohimself said:
All they had to do was pick up a thesaurus to find a descriptor for him other than 'wizard'

We all know just what the hell that means.
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His accepted nickname as a cavalry commander by contemporaries? Before the founding of the KKK? See, I know what it means Milo. Do you?
 
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I wish I had this book on hand, but The PIG to the Civil War had some interesting facts about Forrest. It's been a few years since I read it, but I recall that it changed my mind about him to some degree. Here's a bullet point from some website talking about the book:

• Nathan Bedford Forrest: though allegedly a commander of the Ku Klux Klan, he wanted more free blacks — and Chinese — in the South
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Toujours Pret said:
I know more about Forrest than you ever will. If my glasses are clean, the inscription on the pedestal says 'Defender of Selma, Wizard in the saddle, untutored genius, get there first with the most'.

Dedicated to Forrest for his actions opposing Wilson's raid. I don't see anything about the Klan on it.
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So you think it's awesome to celebrate a guy who was a leader of the KKK (might be the founder of it), a war criminal, buried people alive, and lynched 100s of people? By the way, do you know what happened at lynchings? Men, women and children would come to a "picnic," eat lunch, and for entertainment, they'd watch black people get chunks of their bodies cut off including genitalia, then hang them, then burn them, and finally, let everyone take a body part home as a souvenir.

If you're proud of that, I call you disgusting. You can make all the excuses in the world. I still think you are a disgusting human being if you support that guy's "service."
 
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Toujours Pret said:
I know more about Forrest than you ever will. If my glasses are clean, the inscription on the pedestal says 'Defender of Selma, Wizard in the saddle, untutored genius, get there first with the most'.

Dedicated to Forrest for his actions opposing Wilson's raid. I don't see anything about the Klan on it.
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That's the thing. There doesn't have to be anything about the Klan on it. Everybody knows.
 
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Where did I say I supported Forrest's beliefs? I have no issue with a monument to his military career and his actions in the Cavalry campaign in North Alabama.

I suppose you're working on removing mentions of Columbus, Washington, et al because of some distasteful things they've done?
 
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GAVol said:
That's the thing. There doesn't have to be anything about the Klan on it. Everybody knows.
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I have a hard time not drawing a connection between this and some of our country's most celebrated figures who had human chattel, but this case is out there to put it mildly
 
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Raising hell over these types of things is exactly what I find weak about our generation and future generations. Everyone wants to attempt to turn their heads and pretend that part of American history didn't happen. It's a dark period, but we shouldn't ignore it.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
Raising hell over these types of things is exactly what I find weak about our generation and future generations. Everyone wants to attempt to turn their heads and pretend that part of American history didn't happen. It's a dark period, but we shouldn't ignore it.
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We shouldn't exactly be praising it either (speaking generally, not towards this case)
 
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I agree, but there's not an eraser made that can wipe this from our past. You don't have to go to either extreme in my opinon, which sadly, is not a shared one by many these days regarding history.

That may sound arrogant. It was not intended though.

I just think we don't have to have an "all or none" policy on historical facfs
 
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That's what I meant earlier about celebrated historical figures having some not so nice blemishes about them.
 
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milohimself said:
All they had to do was pick up a thesaurus to find a descriptor for him other than 'wizard'

We all know just what the hell that means.
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"Wizard of the Saddle" was a nickname given to Forrest because of his exploits as a very successful cavalry commander during the CW. It has absolutely no connection to the KKK.
 
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