KKK statue in Alabama

[PKT_VOL]

Jefferson studied the koran to try to understand how the enemy thought.

What?

 

[Unimane]

Don't know much about the man's history to be honest but your description here made me think of all those people who wear Che' shirts or have a Che' poster up in their homes.

Che is a saint compared to him, unless Guevara was secretly profiting from selling off Cubans for slave labor.

 

[Unimane]

He was no saint for sure but to blatantly call him a hater of all black people and scum is just as wrong as those who, are not on this forum, revere him for his love of country. Its somehwere in between like most famous figures are.

He was a slave trader, murderer of black soldiers and a Grand Wizard of the KKK. How much more do I need to make that inference about Forrest? His image has been manipulated by southerners just like Reconstruction was years ago to make him the victim, or, at least, a sympathetic figure.

 

[therealUT]

What?

Surprisingly, GS might actually be correct on this matter. I doubt that too many individuals know exactly when, in his lifetime, Jefferson sat down to read the Koran; however, problems with the Barbary state began in the late 1780s for the U.S. Jefferson is on record as saying that most of what they were doing, they were doing because they stated they were so authorized and required by their holy text to do so. It is reasonable to think that he sat down to read the Koran, after that, so that he could argue with them within the confines of their purview, just as he had done to the Christians in America.

 

[Unimane]

Jefferson indeed read the Koran, amongst many other religious tracts. Very impressive intellect.

 

[volinbham]

Che is a saint compared to him, unless Guevara was secretly profiting from selling off Cubans for slave labor.

A saint? Interesting.

 

[Coach Grizz]

Who cares, put it up and move on.


Fact: Gen N B Forrest was the only gen on both sides to make the rank of gen without attending west point.

OMG a black giving facts on the father of the KKK!!

 

[Coach Grizz]

Jefferson indeed read the Koran, amongst many other religious tracts. Very impressive intellect.

But he wasn't a very good student at WP

 

[PKT_VOL]

Surprisingly, GS might actually be correct on this matter. I doubt that too many individuals know exactly when, in his lifetime, Jefferson sat down to read the Koran; however, problems with the Barbary state began in the late 1780s for the U.S. Jefferson is on record as saying that most of what they were doing, they were doing because they stated they were so authorized and required by their holy text to do so. It is reasonable to think that he sat down to read the Koran, after that, so that he could argue with them within the confines of their purview, just as he had done to the Christians in America.

Did not know that. Thanks.

 

[therealUT]

Who cares, put it up and move on.


Fact: Gen N B Forrest was the only gen on both sides to make the rank of gen without attending west point.

OMG a black giving facts on the father of the KKK!!

With regard to your "Fact":
1) It needs to be qualified. There were plenty of brevet Generals for the Union who did not attend USMA. If they do not count, then it seems that one would have to make a strong argument to state that any CSA General should count.

2) Disregarding (1), General Daniel W. Adams, CSA, never attended USMA.

But he wasn't a very good student at WP

Joke, yes?

 

[Coach Grizz]

With regard to your "Fact":
1) It needs to be qualified. There were plenty of brevet Generals for the Union who did not attend USMA. If they do not count, then it seems that one would have to make a strong argument to state that any CSA General should count.

2) Disregarding (1), General Daniel W. Adams, CSA, never attended USMA.




Joke, yes?

If some of my facts are wrong my apologies I just going on what I learned in history class Waaaay back in 1998 lol. I was told that Jefferson wasn't a good student now if I'm wrong I'll find my old history teacher and knock him the F out lol

 

[therealUT]

If some of my facts are wrong my apologies I just going on what I learned in history class Waaaay back in 1998 lol. I was told that Jefferson wasn't a good student now if I'm wrong I'll find my old history teacher and knock him the F out lol

You should probably do that. Jefferson entered William and Mary when he was 16; graduated when he was 19. He became a bar certified lawyer at the age of 24.

 

[Vol Main]

Who cares, put it up and move on.


Fact: Gen N B Forrest was the only gen on both sides to make the rank of gen without attending west point.

OMG a black giving facts on the father of the KKK!!

Grizz, There was no father of the KKK, it just developed from the pre-war patrols and turned into something even worse. Forrest was not a Grand Wizard. Some leading citizens thought that the patrols were out of control and should be disciplined, so they went to him and offered the title of President, probably without any authority whatsoever, because he was fearless and respected. I've never seen information about what he did as titular President of the KKK, but he resigned shortly afterward and lived with a very different approach to race relations that was anathema to the Klan. The reality is that he did not live his life after the war as a racial supremacist or segregationist. My impression is he had no high-minded moral views on the subject. He was just an imminently practical man who did not believe in BS.

 

[Coach Grizz]

You should probably do that. Jefferson entered William and Mary when he was 16; graduated when he was 19. He became a bar certified lawyer at the age of 24.

Ah I see thanks for the enlightenment, you learn something new every day. And please I hope your not offended that I put wrong info out there. I never knew of the other gen's that made the rank of gen with out WP. My history teacher was old he taught my mama and my uncles in the same HS!! Lol

 

[Coach Grizz]

Grizz, There was no father of the KKK, it just developed from the pre-war patrols and turned into something even worse. Forrest was not a Grand Wizard. Some leading citizens thought that the patrols were out of control and should be disciplined, so they went to him and offered the title of President, probably without any authority whatsoever, because he was fearless and respected. I've never seen information about what he did as titular President of the KKK, but he resigned shortly afterward and lived with a very different approach to race relations that was anathema to the Klan. The reality is that he did not live his life after the war as a racial supremacist or segregationist. My impression is he had no high-minded moral views on the subject. He was just an imminently practical man who did not believe in BS.

The pre war patrols, were these the same men as run away slaves referred to as "Patty Rollers"?

 

[therealUT]

Ah I see thanks for the enlightenment, you learn something new every day. And please I hope your not offended that I put wrong info out there. I never knew of the other gen's that made the rank of gen with out WP. My history teacher was old he taught my mama and my uncles in the same HS!! Lol

Not offended.

 

[tumscalcium]

KKK statue? I thought it would be of LG's hero, Robert Byrd.

 

[Vol Main]

The pre war patrols, were these the same men as run away slaves referred to as "Patty Rollers"?

I'm not familiar with that term; perhaps you could tell us something about it. I know that bounty hunters existed to capture escaped slaves, but the patrols were not bounty hunters. State legislatures passed laws requiring white males to ride patrols in their areas, to be on the lookout for escaped slaves. Most people resented the imposition, but I suppose some got into it.

 

[82_VOL_83]

You guys are missing the whole point. The monument was on public property in 2000 then it was moved to a donated property. Therein that is private property if they are indeed in charge of the land.

The new site is on an acre of land donated to the United Daughters of the Confederacy in 1877, said Williamson, adding that he believed the group was in control of the lot. NBC News’ efforts to reach the group for comment were not successful.

If its private property, case closed.
We still have rights in this country, freedom of speech is not there for us to talk about the weather.



Thread title is very misleading btw.

We will see what our rights are when the FBI finds the guy that made the video that the muzzies claim is an insult and is why they are rioting again. Going to be interested to see if Barry sensors this video and then apologizes to our enemies AGAIN. We will see what our rights are then.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Let's get some facts straight here.

Nathan Bedford Forrest DID NOT found the KKK.

Zebulon Pike founded the KKK and he is the only Confederate general with a monument in Washington D. C.

Forrest was invited to attend a KKK conference and was elected to be the grand dragon or whatever their top title is.

He accepted and gave one order; "that this organization be disbanded and to never meet again."

As a matter of fact he had four men hung for KKK activity.

NBF was the only American in history to advance from private to general.

In Memphis there is a NBF Park and a few years ago when some wanted it demolished it was black Americans who stood in the way of it being destroyed.

Nathan Bedford Forrest was a great man, shame on those who would bismersh his name by rewriting history.

I grew up adhering to the old black gosphel 'ain't gonna study war no more.'

But my mother in law gave me a book about Nathan Forrest as a Christmas gift one year, otherwise I would probably be condemning him as some others here are.

FWIW, the KKK of the 1880s and the KKK of the 1920s are way diferent for you serious students of history.

Stop confusing this liberal hate fest with facts. Don't you know better?

 

[utvolpj]

Stop confusing this liberal hate fest with facts. Don't you know better?

really?

A few points...
Zebulon Pike was an explorer who was killed in the War of 1812, about 50 years prior to the founding of the Confederacy.

Albert Pike has a statue in Washington. There is no definitive proof of any involvement in the KKK.

You make some good points about Forrest, but your revisionism as to his being a faultless folk hero is absurd. The guy was no saint.

Edited re: Albert Pike's statue.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Wait.. the Chinese were not free?

Nah, I hear they brought up to $100 each at one time.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Don't know much about the man's history to be honest but your description here made me think of all those people who wear Che' shirts or have a Che' poster up in their homes.

And are members of the new black panther party.

 

[n_huffhines]

He was no saint for sure but to blatantly call him a hater of all black people and scum is just as wrong as those who, are not on this forum, revere him for his love of country. Its somehwere in between like most famous figures are.

He's probably about as racist as Abraham Lincoln.

 

[82_VOL_83]

You are so right, I should be more considerate of someone who bought and sold people for profit, tearing up families to exploit the system of human ownership, had surrendering soldiers shot during the war and mauraded with hooded thugs to deny blacks the right to vote and burn down their schools. That's a person to be celebrated. A genius, no doubt. Let's build him a thousand statues.

Thanks for setting my over sensitive, bleeding heart straight.

You must hate a lot of African Blacks also. While you are spewing hatred and misinformation, you might as well include them in your diatribe too.