Knecht, Barnes, NIL, Development [split from Portal Thread]

#26
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RudyVol said:
Hearsay I'm sure. I don't think I would believe this unless you had concrete, visual proof that a player turned down more $ to play elsewhere. "More" being a lot more. If offers are in the same neighborhood, I get it.
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Interview with prominent NIL agent said 60% of his clients took less money, varying degrees obviously. Some was a few thousand but some cases were a couple hundred thousand less.
 
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Weezer said:
Right now, Chaz will not be drafted. That's why he's coming back to college. Where he ends up and how he does there will matter. DK wasn't a projected lottery pick when he came here. Now he is. Development matters.
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I'm a big Barnes fan--but let's stop with this notion that he or our staff "developed" Knecht. Knecht was obviously an excellent player from the first moment he stepped on the UT basketball practice floor. We didn't develop his skills. They were fully developed when he got here--obviously. What he got from UT was high-level exposure---exposure in a big conference, and TV exposure. He had the talent, we offered exposure--and we can be proud that Barnes and his staff were smart enough to recognize his talent at Northern Colorado and savvy and sharp enough to get him signed. It was a coup. He might also have benefited somewhat from Barnes's system--but he was a very talented player who was able to showcase his big skill set by joining a major program. What I found unusual about Knecht was his amazing self-confidence from day one. He was not only not fazed by joining UT and the SEC, he was confident and good from the jump.
 
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turbovol said:
I'm a big Barnes fan--but let's stop with this notion that he or our staff "developed" Knecht. Knecht was obviously an excellent player from the first moment he stepped on the UT basketball practice floor. We didn't develop his skills. They were fully developed when he got here--obviously. What he got from UT was high-level exposure---exposure in a big conference, and TV exposure. He had the talent, we offered exposure--and we can be proud that Barnes and his staff were smart enough to recognize his talent at Northern Colorado and savvy and sharp enough to get him signed. It was a coup. He might also have benefited somewhat from Barnes's system--but he was a very talented player who was able to showcase his big skill set by joining a major program. What I found unusual about Knecht was his amazing self-confidence from day one. He was not only not fazed by joining UT and the SEC, he was confident and good from the jump.
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I don't disagree, but I will argue that Barnes did make him a better defender over the course of the season. Other than that, I agree completely.
 
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turbovol said:
I'm a big Barnes fan--but let's stop with this notion that he or our staff "developed" Knecht. Knecht was obviously an excellent player from the first moment he stepped on the UT basketball practice floor. We didn't develop his skills. They were fully developed when he got here--obviously. What he got from UT was high-level exposure---exposure in a big conference, and TV exposure. He had the talent, we offered exposure--and we can be proud that Barnes and his staff were smart enough to recognize his talent at Northern Colorado and savvy and sharp enough to get him signed. It was a coup. He might also have benefited somewhat from Barnes's system--but he was a very talented player who was able to showcase his big skill set by joining a major program. What I found unusual about Knecht was his amazing self-confidence from day one. He was not only not fazed by joining UT and the SEC, he was confident and good from the jump.
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He had career highs in 3pt% and FT% while making a massive leap in competition, but sure, zero development of credit to Barnes and staff…I’m sure Knecht definitely agrees with that take SMH
 
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turbovol said:
I'm a big Barnes fan--but let's stop with this notion that he or our staff "developed" Knecht. Knecht was obviously an excellent player from the first moment he stepped on the UT basketball practice floor. We didn't develop his skills. They were fully developed when he got here--obviously. What he got from UT was high-level exposure---exposure in a big conference, and TV exposure. He had the talent, we offered exposure--and we can be proud that Barnes and his staff were smart enough to recognize his talent at Northern Colorado and savvy and sharp enough to get him signed. It was a coup. He might also have benefited somewhat from Barnes's system--but he was a very talented player who was able to showcase his big skill set by joining a major program. What I found unusual about Knecht was his amazing self-confidence from day one. He was not only not fazed by joining UT and the SEC, he was confident and good from the jump.
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Knecht had tremendous skill when he arrived in knoxville. Barnes no doubt helped him improve his defense. I think the strength and conditioning program probably helped him more that anything. And apparently his work ethic is off the charts.
 
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turbovol said:
I'm a big Barnes fan--but let's stop with this notion that he or our staff "developed" Knecht. Knecht was obviously an excellent player from the first moment he stepped on the UT basketball practice floor. We didn't develop his skills. They were fully developed when he got here--obviously. What he got from UT was high-level exposure---exposure in a big conference, and TV exposure. He had the talent, we offered exposure--and we can be proud that Barnes and his staff were smart enough to recognize his talent at Northern Colorado and savvy and sharp enough to get him signed. It was a coup. He might also have benefited somewhat from Barnes's system--but he was a very talented player who was able to showcase his big skill set by joining a major program. What I found unusual about Knecht was his amazing self-confidence from day one. He was not only not fazed by joining UT and the SEC, he was confident and good from the jump.
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Rule of thumb.

Only Rainbows and Unicorns allowed when posting on a Opinion Board.
 
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RudyVol said:
Okay guy. Yes. I think he would still be a top 10 projection at NorCo. The better question is, would he still be a top 10 projected pick if he went to BYU instead of Tennessee? Then the answer is an even more concrete yes.
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Not trolling you, but he was not projected a top 10 pick before coming to UT and he more than likely would not have been. Knecht himself said, playing against Mashack everyday and Barnes helped him improve his overall game. Barnes improved him on the defensive end and some slight mental challenges when he was in his own head. Knecht played 1-on-1 against Mashack every practice and said it helped him further develop his offensive game. Knecht was very talented and had a killer work ethic but that doesn’t take away the fact that he still got developed more here.
 
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MemphisVol3 said:
Not trolling you, but he was absolutely not projected a top 10 pick before coming to UT and he more than likely would not have been. Knecht himself said, playing against Mashack everyday and Barnes helped him improve his overall game.
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I think everyone inside and outside the program realizes that Knecht and Barnes were a match made in heaven but, such a perfect match is highly unlikely to happen again. Knecht was the perfect guy that picked the perfect situation. There were questions about him as a defensive player and if he could produce at a high level. He came to a team that had a huge void at scorer and a staff known for making guys better defensive players. Every player that went through this program came out a better defensive player and most guys that left here contributed at their next stops to some extent if healthy. But, there is one really big but. There are not a lot of guys built like that.

Why do so many kids leave here early? It's because Barnes is old school and only players with that type of mentality that want to be coached hard can take it. Even Grant Williams said the idea of coming back his senior year was never in his mind. That is not on any level a knock on Barnes its just how kids are these days.. they cant take hard coaching. Most of them don't want to be team players they want to be the man. Barnes attracts smart realistic guys likely to make good business decisions. Like DK. I have a feeling like every year once this roster is finalized things will be fine. HE will get his guys like he always does.
 
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Ace said:
I just ignore obvious trolls
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Me too but in this case, I don’t think they were trolls. Most of them are solid and cool posters but we’re obnoxious that day when I simply said I “had a feeling” Aidoo could transfer/be poached. I’m not sure why the concept was so foreign to people. It’s going to be a possibility almost every year with most players. Just the way it is now. It’s a little naive to say a player “isn’t going anywhere”. Nobody knows. I just got tired of seeing it. Their posts didn’t age well anyway.
 
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RudyVol said:
Okay guy. Yes. I think he would still be a top 10 projection at NorCo. The better question is, would he still be a top 10 projected pick if he went to BYU instead of Tennessee? Then the answer is an even more concrete yes.
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That may be one of the dumbest posts in the history of VN. And that’s saying something.
 
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CAVPUT said:
I don't disagree, but I will argue that Barnes did make him a better defender over the course of the season. Other than that, I agree completely.
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100% I attended most home games last year. Dalton as a defender in the first month of the season was a lot worse than the last month. His defense started changing right around the time his offense exploded.
 
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MemphisVol3 said:
Not trolling you, but he was not projected a top 10 pick before coming to UT and he more than likely would not have been. Knecht himself said, playing against Mashack everyday and Barnes helped him improve his overall game. Barnes improved him on the defensive end and some slight mental challenges when he was in his own head. Knecht played 1-on-1 against Mashack every practice and said it helped him further develop his offensive game. Knecht was very talented and had a killer work ethic but that doesn’t take away the fact that he still got developed more here.
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We'll never know. Top 10 seems steep but I don't think it's absurd to think he could/would still go first round out of NorCo. He's getting drafted for his scoring ability. I'm sure he improved his defense under Barnes as much as he could have but teams are aware they're not drafting an elite defender.
 
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RudyVol said:
We'll never know. Top 10 seems steep but I don't think it's absurd to think he could/would still go first round out of NorCo. He's getting drafted for his scoring ability. I'm sure he improved his defense under Barnes as much as he could have but teams are aware they're not drafting an elite defender.
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He posted similar numbers and was a year younger, went to the NBA combine and was told he wouldn’t be drafted. Comes to UT and like I said posts similar numbers, goes to the combine and is told he’s a likely Top 10 pick. Why?
 
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Delmar said:
That may be one of the dumbest posts in the history of VN. And that’s saying something.
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You know nothing. Knecht is a weird late bloomer. Why did Tennessee recruit him? He was on Tennessee's radar but not the NBA's? You're dumb.
 
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