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[Vol8188]

It’s the same quote from the dorky UK police chief.

He doesn’t say American citizens.
He doesn’t even say “Americans”.

He vaguely alludes to “people overseas”.

Even if they tried…. I doubt they could. I think the “crime” has to be unlawful in both countries.

There is no law against posting memes in The United States of America.

Haven’t seen the video, but I have seen claims he mentioned Musk. Does he specifically mention Musk and if so is Musk not a US citizen?

 

[LouderVol]

It’s the same quote from the dorky UK police chief.

He doesn’t say American citizens.
He doesn’t even say “Americans”.

He vaguely alludes to “people overseas”.

Even if they tried…. I doubt they could. I think the “crime” has to be unlawful in both countries.

There is no law against posting memes in The United States of America.

all it would require is participation from the host country. They don't have to lock you up for a crime in your host country to be extradited to another. most nations with joint extradition do those type of exchanges pretty commonly, even if the "criminal" didn't do anything wrong in the nation hosting him.

Snowden is probably the best example of this.

 

[GroverCleveland]

all it would require is participation from the host country. They don't have to lock you up for a crime in your host country to be extradited to another. most nations with joint extradition do those type of exchanges pretty commonly, even if the "criminal" didn't do anything wrong in the nation hosting him.

Snowden is probably the best example of this.

I also thought about this: could the UK issues a warrant, a US citizen is in France on vacation, then picked up and extradited to the UK, neatly skirting the BoR?

Doubt it, but wondering. Would not trust the Feds to worry about it if a background check indicated a Republican.

Dang it. Always had a decent mistrust of the Feds, but it is getting to the point I have zero trust and actually fear the entire Federal system.

 

[volinsd]

I also thought about this: could the UK issues a warrant, a US citizen is in France on vacation, then picked up and extradited to the UK, neatly skirting the BoR?

Doubt it, but wondering. Would not trust the Feds to worry about it if a background check indicated a Republican.

Dang it. Always had a decent mistrust of the Feds, but it is getting to the point I have zero trust and actually fear the entire Federal system.

I'm on the same route of distrust in the Fed. It's a sucky situation to be in.

 

[LouderVol]

I also thought about this: could the UK issues a warrant, a US citizen is in France on vacation, then picked up and extradited to the UK, neatly skirting the BoR?

Doubt it, but wondering. Would not trust the Feds to worry about it if a background check indicated a Republican.

Dang it. Always had a decent mistrust of the Feds, but it is getting to the point I have zero trust and actually fear the entire Federal system.

I wouldn't trust the US government to do anything to stop it or fight it. doubt the media would ever cover it either.

at least if it was a friendly nation. Maybe if it was Russia doing it, they would question it now. but rewind or fast forward to a couple years of peace and the 1980s wanting their foreign policy back and they won't question it then.

 

[EasternVol]

Bruh..you can't own a TV and watch it without paying an annual tax of like $150. And if you do have a TV you aren't paying the tax on they have units that actively use signal direction finders to track you down and arrest you. Also, most people live in what we would consider townhouses or apartments. Like being middle class? Prepare to get a 40% income tax rate. Nonexistent dental services. Their standard of living sucks compared to the US.

HDI score? 3 points higher than the US and thats abysmal considering how racially diverse the US is. The fact the US is even where its at with our recent generations of third world immigration is actually a testament of how good the standard of living is here in the US.

Upside? They have good beer.

None of that makes for a failed state. Different countries have their advantages and disadvantages. At least they can walk around their cities and not fear for their lives and property.
I'm familiar with the TV license thing. Singapore used to do that since they copy / pasted a lot of UK laws. Several other countries have it too though. Are Germany, Japan and Ireland failed states?
I'd say huge areas of suburbia are more a sign of failure than are compact urban areas. As for taxes, we have to look at what they get for that 40% rate. They may get back more than the satisfaction of keeping RDX prosperous. They do have dental services and some there even use them; I've seen it.
How diverse the US or anywhere else is or isn't doesn't mean squat when comparing HDI scores.

 

[LouderVol]

None of that makes for a failed state. Different countries have their advantages and disadvantages. At least they can walk around their cities and not fear for their lives and property.
I'm familiar with the TV license thing. Singapore used to do that since they copy / pasted a lot of UK laws. Several other countries have it too though. Are Germany, Japan and Ireland failed states?
I'd say huge areas of suburbia are more a sign of failure than are compact urban areas. As for taxes, we have to look at what they get for that 40% rate. They may get back more than the satisfaction of keeping RDX prosperous. They do have dental services and some there even use them; I've seen it.
How diverse the US or anywhere else is or isn't doesn't mean squat when comparing HDI scores.

Sure it does. HDI is a score based on the education, longevity, and standard of living.

different cultures put different emphasis on matters that affect each of those. With the US being far more diverse we are going to have the widest range pulling our average down.

 

[EasternVol]

Sure it does. HDI is a score based on the education, longevity, and standard of living.

different cultures put different emphasis on matters that affect each of those. With the US being far more diverse we are going to have the widest range pulling our average down.

Every country has its more and less prosperous groups. We've done worse than many in providing equitable opportunities for minorities. Our lower HDI score isn't the result of some benign demographic phenomenon.

 

[LouderVol]

Every country has its more and less prosperous groups. We've done worse than many in providing equitable opportunities for minorities. Our lower HDI score isn't the result of some benign demographic phenomenon.

what is strange to your outlook is that immigrants of any demographic typically outperform the natives of that same demographic in this country. or least historically have. and yes, that includes the white immigrants over white natives.

But I actually agree with you about the treatment of minorities. the welfare system and mindset guarantees anyone on welfare, larger percentage of minorities population than the white population, is not getting a fair shake.

 

[85SugarVol]

Haven’t seen the video, but I have seen claims he mentioned Musk. Does he specifically mention Musk and if so is Musk not a US citizen?

No, he never utters the name Musk.

A reporter asks him - “what about Musk?”
He doesn’t say “yes, we’ll come get him” or “yes, Musk” or even simply “yes”.

He talks generally about people overseas.

If people want to believe they are talking about American citizens they obviously can, but the UK hasn’t said it.

If you find something actually from them I’d be interested to see it.

 

[85SugarVol]

all it would require is participation from the host country. They don't have to lock you up for a crime in your host country to be extradited to another. most nations with joint extradition do those type of exchanges pretty commonly, even if the "criminal" didn't do anything wrong in the nation hosting him.

Snowden is probably the best example of this.

I don’t believe the US would extradite an American citizen to the UK for an offense that is not a crime here in the US.

 

[LouderVol]

I don’t believe the US would extradite an American citizen to the UK for an offense that is not a crime here in the US.

I wouldn't trust any of those in charge to NOT do that if it helped them.

they sell us out plenty already. have no qualms sending our soldiers to go die in some hell hole with no real justification, just to serve a political want. our financial futures are leveraged from here to El Dorado and back. they are spying on us, sold us out to pharma companies, have adjusted the system to use politics as justification for targeting civilians.

its not a stretch at all to see the extradition coming as just the next step.

 

[hog88]

I don’t believe the US would extradite an American citizen to the UK for an offense that is not a crime here in the US.

I'm not 100% sure but I believe we have done it before. And in this case "inciting violence" or "terroristic threats" are illegal here too.

 

[85SugarVol]

I'm not 100% sure but I believe we have done it before.

We may have. I’d be interested to know what crime and to what country the US extradited one of our citizens for an offense that isn’t a crime here.

I believe the extradition treaty between the US & UK stipulates the offense in question must be unlawful in both countries.

But I could absolutely be wrong on that.

 

[hog88]

We may have. I’d be interested to know what crime and to what country the US extradited one of our citizens for an offense that isn’t a crime here.

I believe the extradition treaty between the US & UK stipulates the offense in question must be unlawful in both countries.

But I could absolutely be wrong on that.

As I said, they can charge you with inciting violence, or some terrorism charge and cover the hurdle of being illegal in both countries.

 

[LouderVol]

We may have. I’d be interested to know what crime and to what country the US extradited one of our citizens for an offense that isn’t a crime here.

I believe the extradition treaty between the US & UK stipulates the offense in question must be unlawful in both countries.

But I could absolutely be wrong on that.

Frequently Asked Questions Regarding Extradition

www.justice.gov

looks like it is possible for the US to extradite a US citizen to another country even if the act isn't considered a crime in the US.

the grounds for the extradition are only dependent on the treaty we signed with whatever country.

you are right about the US & UK, but haven't found any explicitly saying all of our treaties require it to be a broken law here. and what I have seen of the US & UK one, it does seem like there are some caveats, terrorism and drugs, but it still comes down to a US court decision on if the US will extradite a US civilian to another country.

 

[CobbVol]

We may have. I’d be interested to know what crime and to what country the US extradited one of our citizens for an offense that isn’t a crime here.

I believe the extradition treaty between the US & UK stipulates the offense in question must be unlawful in both countries.

But I could absolutely be wrong on that.

This could be charged with a crime in the U.S.

 

[85SugarVol]

As I said, they can charge you with inciting violence, or some terrorism charge and cover the hurdle of being illegal in both countries.

Frequently Asked Questions Regarding Extradition

www.justice.gov

looks like it is possible for the US to extradite a US citizen to another country even if the act isn't considered a crime in the US.

the grounds for the extradition are only dependent on the treaty we signed with whatever country.

you are right about the US & UK, but haven't found any explicitly saying all of our treaties require it to be a broken law here. and what I have seen of the US & UK one, it does seem like there are some caveats, terrorism and drugs, but it still comes down to a US court decision on if the US will extradite a US civilian to another country.

It’d be something to see. That’s for sure.

Billy Ray from Greenbow, AL posts a meme about “two-tier Kier” to Twitter.

Scotland Yard issues an arrest warrant for Inciting Terrorism.

Does the an Administration just hand him over? I assume an emergency appeal of some sort would be filed.

 

[hog88]

It’d be something to see. That’s for sure.

Billy Ray from Greenbow, AL posts a meme about “two-tier Kier” to Twitter.

Scotland Yard issues an arrest warrant for Inciting Terrorism.

Does the an Administration just hand him over? I assume an emergency appeal of some sort would be filed.

I could see it happening.

 

[LouderVol]

It’d be something to see. That’s for sure.

Billy Ray from Greenbow, AL posts a meme about “two-tier Kier” to Twitter.

Scotland Yard issues an arrest warrant for Inciting Terrorism.

Does the an Administration just hand him over? I assume an emergency appeal of some sort would be filed.

it sounds like one of those things if everything was equal and working as it should, there is no way it would happen. but it doesn't completely shut the door on outside pressures influencing the process.

so: possible, but not probable the US extradites a US citizen for something that isn't a crime here.

I think hog had a good point about the interpretations on terrorism. I see that as the most likely to be manipulated.

 

[85SugarVol]

it sounds like one of those things if everything was equal and working as it should, there is no way it would happen. but it doesn't completely shut the door on outside pressures influencing the process.

so: possible, but not probable the US extradites a US citizen for something that isn't a crime here.

I think hog had a good point about the interpretations on terrorism. I see that as the most likely to be manipulated.

Yea, they would contort Billy Ray’s epic meme into Incitement of Terrorism.

What a PR nightmare scenario for the Administration….

“Harris/Biden hand over American Citizen for Facebook meme”

 

[hog88]

Yea, they would contort Billy Ray’s epic meme into Incitement of Terrorism.

What a PR nightmare scenario for the Administration….

“Harris/Biden hand over American Citizen for Facebook meme”

Ehh, I don't think they are too worried about PR. The vast majority of the press would cover it as the admin extraditing a terrorist.

 

[LouderVol]

Yea, they would contort Billy Ray’s epic meme into Incitement of Terrorism.

What a PR nightmare scenario for the Administration….

“Harris/Biden hand over American Citizen for Facebook meme”

they were able to sell that Trump was working for the Russians because of facebook memes.

IIRC, the pee tapes story started out as a reddit meme to see what was the most ridiculous thing they could get to gain traction.

 

[FLVOL_79]

None of that makes for a failed state. Different countries have their advantages and disadvantages. At least they can walk around their cities and not fear for their lives and property.
I'm familiar with the TV license thing. Singapore used to do that since they copy / pasted a lot of UK laws. Several other countries have it too though. Are Germany, Japan and Ireland failed states?
I'd say huge areas of suburbia are more a sign of failure than are compact urban areas. As for taxes, we have to look at what they get for that 40% rate. They may get back more than the satisfaction of keeping RDX prosperous. They do have dental services and some there even use them; I've seen it.
How diverse the US or anywhere else is or isn't doesn't mean squat when comparing HDI scores.

I didnt say it was a failed state, quality of life is what you started talking about.

And HDI scores absolutely are dependent on a countries diversity. Look at every single country ranked above the US. Notice a trend? The more third worlders in your country, the lower your HDI score. Must be a coincidence...

 

[85SugarVol]

Ehh, I don't think they are too worried about PR. The vast majority of the press would cover it as the admin extraditing a terrorist.

If Billy Ray had helped plan, fund, or execute a terror plot, sure.

But I don’t think Billy Ray is a terrorist, because Facebook meme, would play very well.