Lack of Playmakers.

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lilesrt said:
Devrin Young is NOT an SEC caliber player I hate to break it to you.
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Can I look into that crystal ball of yours to see who will be and won't be an SEC talent. Actually go ahead and put it up for sell on EBay. I'm sure there are some coaches who would love to at least look at it. I love how everyone on here is a recruiting evaluator. It's like watching the olympics with my friends. Every four years they suddenly become masters of every judging sport they watch.
 
#27
#27
lilesrt said:
Nice argument. I will buy most of it. Just one question. Do you think that we are leaving ourselves enough wiggle room to actually sign the best players come NSD?
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Yes, are we after alot of playmakers? No. Look at the kids we still have a chance & fill good with & you will see that they are mostly OL/DL/LB.

The DB's that we are after King/Thomas/Marcus/ have great to good speed. Which like everyone has said we need on defense.

Look at Dallas, a pure speedster!

The playmakers that we want we have a very good chance at landing on NSD.
 
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INVolsITrust said:
Can I look into that crystal ball of yours to see who will be and won't be an SEC talent. Actually go ahead and put it up for sell on EBay. I'm sure there are some coaches who would love to at least look at it. I love how everyone on here is a recruiting evaluator. It's like watching the olympics with my friends. Every four years they suddenly become masters of every judging sport they watch.
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That can go both ways bra. Can you look into a crystal ball and tell me he will be a quality SEC player? I do not believe. One thing I can do is look at certain indicators. Size, high school competition, lack of quality college offers are all pretty good indicators on how a player will perform at the next level. But hey, like you said, I am just a fan. What do I know. At least he is from Tennessee right? But then again so was Rod Wilks and he's had a great career! Has he ever seen the field?
 
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#32
lilesrt said:
That can go both ways bra. Can you look into a crystal ball and tell me he will be a quality SEC player? I do not believe. One thing I can do is look at certain indicators. Size, high school competition, lack of quality college offers are all pretty good indicators on how a player will perform at the next level. But hey, like you said, I am just a fan. What do I know. At least he is from Tennessee right? But then again so was Rod Wilks and he's had a great career! Has he ever seen the field?
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Chris Donald never did either, what's your point?
 
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jmoore_21 said:
Yes, are we after alot of playmakers? No. Look at the kids we still have a chance & fill good with & you will see that they are mostly OL/DL/LB.

The DB's that we are after King/Thomas/Marcus/ have great to good speed. Which like everyone has said we need on defense.

Look at Dallas, a pure speedster!

The playmakers that we want we have a very good chance at landing on NSD.
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I have watched Vincent Dallas and he does look legit! I hope we land him. That'd be really nice. I also would not mind seeing Ted Meline moved back to Wide Out. He seems to have a lot of talent as well. What are the vibes coming out of Saginaw? Is DeAnthony Arnett still considering us or have the Spartans moved way up on his list?
 
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#35
lilesrt said:
You're right it goes both ways.
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Well then if it does stop with the stupid comments like "Hate to break it to you but this guy is not an SEC player." You do know if it weren't for an Ole Miss position coach, that McCluster would not have ended up in the SEC. Orgeron had to be talked into getting him. He didn't have a committable offer from any SEC team.
 
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lilesrt said:
That can go both ways bra. Can you look into a crystal ball and tell me he will be a quality SEC player? I do not believe. One thing I can do is look at certain indicators. Size, high school competition, lack of quality college offers are all pretty good indicators on how a player will perform at the next level. But hey, like you said, I am just a fan. What do I know. At least he is from Tennessee right? But then again so was Rod Wilks and he's had a great career! Has he ever seen the field?
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I'm not one of the "local-boy" fans. I don't think you or me can tell who will be or will not be a player. I'm pretty sure it's a crap-shoot for most players signed anywhere. What I find funny is people like you thinking they can pick out talent because a subscription, for- profit website tells you they are a talent or the offers they have. I know empirical evidence tells us that offer lists are a good indicator. However, there are too many variables with each recruit to go off of to say this applies to any one recruit coming into any program. This is why kids from all types of schools end up being drafted and playing on sunday. But hey, you wear scrubs. You know all this.
 
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volunteerlane said:
Ill take Dooley's assessment of talent over yours. For some reason I think he is a little more successful at it than you are.
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This is the response by many to anyone who questions Dooley's recruiting. Would you take Dooley's assessment over Saban, Beamer, Meyer, Tressel, Rodriguez, Brown, Spurrier or Kelly? Because none of those guys offered.
 
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#38
lilesrt said:
I have watched Vincent Dallas and he does look legit! I hope we land him. That'd be really nice. I also would not mind seeing Ted Meline moved back to Wide Out. He seems to have a lot of talent as well. What are the vibes coming out of Saginaw? Is DeAnthony Arnett still considering us or have the Spartans moved way up on his list?
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Dallas is a Vol, if he is'nt I'd be shocked & I think LV would be too because I've seen him say Dallas is a lock also.

IMO, Meline will be moved back to WR. But Hubbs thinks that he just looks lost at any position & probably wont see alot of PT while at UT.

On Arnett, I've thought Tennessee has looked in great shape with him for a while. He's been on campus 3x ( twice on his own dime ) & rumor was he had scheduled a official visit. But a guy over on VQ says Michigan State has a big lead for Arnett, which I could believe some because it is very close to home for Arnett & MSU is playing really good so far this season.
 
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IndianVol said:
This is the response by many to anyone who questions Dooley's recruiting. Would you take Dooley's assessment over Saban, Beamer, Meyer, Tressel, Rodriguez, Brown, Spurrier or Kelly? Because none of those guys offered.
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Derek Dooley coaches Tennessee and we are Tennessee fans. See the relationship? All common sense goes out the window and the orange glasses get put on. And don't dare question any of commits that we have, especially if they are from Tennessee. A lot of fans on this site are delusional. It really cracks me up.
 
#40
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jmoore_21 said:
Dallas is a Vol, if he is'nt I'd be shocked & I think LV would be too because I've seen him say Dallas is a lock also.

IMO, Meline will be moved back to WR. But Hubbs thinks that he just looks lost at any position & probably wont see alot of PT while at UT.

On Arnett, I've thought Tennessee has looked in great shape with him for a while. He's been on campus 3x ( twice on his own dime ) & rumor was he had scheduled a official visit. But a guy over on VQ says Michigan State has a big lead for Arnett, which I could believe some because it is very close to home for Arnett & MSU is playing really good so far this season.
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Thanks for the update. Here's to hoping we land both of them!
 
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UTBuff37 said:
Very true on Kiffin. However, this staff doesn't give a damn about recruiting sites and rankings. They've been known to be great evaluators and if you really look at our class you'll see that the 3*'s aren't your typical 3*'s. They're very solid and some could very well get a 4* bump. We have 3 OL, 2 TE, 1 QB, 2 RB's, 3 DL, 2 LB's, and 3 DB's committed. You add another OL, 2 WR's, 2-3 DL, 1 LB, and 3 DB's and you've got both sides of the ball filled in one class with quality depth. Not a bad class IMO.

You take this same approach every yr and each yr you add more and more 4*'s and you'll see a drastic change with this team within 2 yrs.
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I don't think we can say they have been known as great evaluators, they haven't proven it yet. And our competition also has coaching staffs that are good evaluators so its not like we got a advantage over other SEC teams when it come to evaluating.
 
#42
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lilesrt said:
That can go both ways bra. Can you look into a crystal ball and tell me he will be a quality SEC player? I do not believe. One thing I can do is look at certain indicators. Size, high school competition, lack of quality college offers are all pretty good indicators on how a player will perform at the next level. But hey, like you said, I am just a fan. What do I know. At least he is from Tennessee right? But then again so was Rod Wilks and he's had a great career! Has he ever seen the field?
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I was thinking the same as u are a few days ago..then something magical happened...........I watched his SENIOR highlight tape..if u watch that tape and tell me that he's not special, I would suggest checking into Lakeshore. The kid looks like he is in fast forward and everybody else in slow mo. He has legit D1 speed, and probably good SEC speed. He has developed a ton in the last year. Imagine a year or two under Wylie...
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#43
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The Maryville coach was recently quoted that Young ws the fastest, most electrifying athlete EVER on their field...that includes some amazing skill guys..Stewart, Cobb....Rogan?
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IndianVol said:
I don't think we can say they have been known as great evaluators, they haven't proven it yet. And our competition also has coaching staffs that are good evaluators so its not like we got a advantage over other SEC teams when it come to evaluating.
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Well, Dooley should get a lot of the credit for the stellar lsu classes in the early 00's
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ACvol3 said:
Well, Dooley should get a lot of the credit for the stellar lsu classes in the early 00's
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I think a lot of the credit for those classes should go to Saban, since where ever he goes he turns into a recruiting machine.
 
#47
#47
IndianVol said:
I think a lot of the credit for those classes should go to Saban, since where ever he goes he turns into a recruiting machine.
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It should, and it does..but that had to have been a great learning experience for DD, and as RC, I'm sure he contributed a lot to building those great classes. He hasn't forgotten what great talent looks like.
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#48
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turnuptheVOLtage said:
Honest question: Before LSU, how was he known so well? what had he done? We know why hes famous now
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He was a good hc at michigan state with some nfl assistant experience. He beat notre dame, oh state, some pretty big upsets I remember.
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#49
#49
lilesrt said:
Nice argument. I will buy most of it. Just one question. Do you think that we are leaving ourselves enough wiggle room to actually sign the best players come NSD?
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Yes, and most of the OV's from these kids will be in December.... things will pick up
 
#50
#50
ACvol3 said:
It should, and it does..but that had to have been a great learning experience for DD, and as RC, I'm sure he contributed a lot to building those great classes. He hasn't forgotten what great talent looks like.
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Great head coaches have a lot of coaches that work under them and most of those coaches don't become great head coaches.
 
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