Lady Vols Softball Team Game Thread week 8

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larjoranj said:
Gregg really hasn't been in a slump. In fact, since the Arkansas series she's hitting over .500. She has 19 hits in her last 33 ABs over the last 16 games, including 1-3 with 3 walks against Bama, 3-5 with 4 walks against KY and 4-5 with 2 walks against Ole Miss. She's 8th in the NCAA in BA and 2nd in OBP, in addition to leading in RBI.
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I defer to your stats. I did not look it up but it did seem she has not been driving the ball lately. I guess sometimes we get used to her always hitting the ball hard somewhere it is addictive.:loco::loco:
 
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RE Gregg: It seems like she walks twice for every three at bats. All the more reason why she should be ready to swing with runners on base and a 3-0 count. It's my pet peeve!

Geer's first at bat against bama, first game, rather sums up her hitting of late: The count is 3-1 and Osorio throws a fast ball right down Broadway--waist high and in the middle of the plate. Geer takes it, for some reason, it's 3-2, and she swings and misses a rise ball on the next pitch. Otherwise, from what I've seen opposing pitchers have not given her a lot to hit, but she's been too good for too long to struggle like this.

RE Barnhill: The consensus seems to be that she will be the collegiate player of the year--and she's only a sophomore. There is also a lot of chatter about her footwork--but if umpires almost never call illegal pitches, pitchers will continue to take advantage. Does anyone remember the Vol game a few years ago--maybe three, I think it was an NCAA tourney game, but am hazy on details--when an opposing pitcher was called for multiple illegal pitches early in the game? I vaguely recall it being a prominent pitcher on a prominent team--and the illegal pitch calls created a brouhaha: the opposing coach started complaining about the calls, and as I recall the umpire--it might been the third-base umpire?--eventually stopped calling the illegal pitches as the game went on. It might have been an SEC game--I can't remember--but the game got a little crazy.

With video technology the way it is, footwork can be closely examined and a determination made if a pitcher is breaking the rule. If she is, she should be called on it, and repeatedly, until she conforms to the rule. But it hasn't been called all year--and it not going to be called this late in the season. You have to call it early in the season, and often, if you intend to enforce the rule.
 
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LVJeff said:
Agreed. The hop is the worst. I don't know how much that adds to her 70+ mph pitches but it looks to me like both feet are off the ground for a split second.
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A pitcher certainly affects a game the most, but It looks like we get the benefit of the umps not paying attention or looking the other way too. McClain looks to me like she steps out of the box on most every pitch and ball she puts in play.
 
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larjoranj said:
A pitcher certainly affects a game the most, but It looks like we get the benefit of the umps not paying attention or looking the other way too. McClain looks to me like she steps out of the box on most every pitch and ball she puts in play.
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Leach got called out in the bama series for being out of the box.
 
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I agree the umps should enforce the rules, but I've never understood why it's a rule in softball that both feet have to be in contact with the rubber. Most pitchers would prefer to be able to rock back with their left foot (for a right handed pitcher) just like baseball pitchers are allowed to do and stride into the pitch. It's easier to keep your balance, easier to keep your timing and rhythm and you can throw a little harder and I think more accurately. It's just a natural throwing motion.When my daughter was playing years ago different organizations had different rules. I think ASA required both feet in contact, USSSA did not, high school did. At the younger age groups the girls would often switch depending on the rule of that particular tourney. As they got older most pitchers would stay in contact even if the tourney didn't require it to get ready for high school and ASA ball. But it seems like a dumb rule to me.
 
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larjoranj said:
I agree the umps should enforce the rules, but I've never understood why it's a rule in softball that both feet have to be in contact with the rubber. Most pitchers would prefer to be able to rock back with their left foot (for a right handed pitcher) just like baseball pitchers are allowed to do and stride into the pitch. It's easier to keep your balance, easier to keep your timing and rhythm and you can throw a little harder and I think more accurately. It's just a natural throwing motion.When my daughter was playing years ago different organizations had different rules. I think ASA required both feet in contact, USSSA did not, high school did. At the younger age groups the girls would often switch depending on the rule of that particular tourney. As they got older most pitchers would stay in contact even if the tourney didn't require it to get ready for high school and ASA ball. But it seems like a dumb rule to me.
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Perhaps to ensure uniformity?
10.2.1.1 Both feet must be on the ground in contact with the pitcher’s plate
and a portion of the pivot foot must be on the top surface of the pitcher’s
plate. Any part of each foot in contact with the ground or pitcher’s plate
must be completely within the 24-inch length of the pitcher’s plate.

There is also this rule:
10.4.3 A portion of the stride foot must remain in contact with the pitcher’s
plate at all times before beginning the forward step.
Note: If the pitcher has toed the pitcher’s plate and, without stepping or sliding
backward, simply drops her heel that forces her to lose contact with the pitcher’s
plate, there is no violation.
 
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cwbytruckers said:
Its possible someome using their cell phone hit the like button by mistake. Ive done it a few times.
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LOL good point, no big deal either. I also thought whoever liked it may have simply liked the fact the rules are being enforced.

Or else we got a 'bammer interloper posting! :yikes:
 
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LVJeff said:
Perhaps to ensure uniformity?
10.2.1.1 Both feet must be on the ground in contact with the pitcher’s plate
and a portion of the pivot foot must be on the top surface of the pitcher’s
plate. Any part of each foot in contact with the ground or pitcher’s plate
must be completely within the 24-inch length of the pitcher’s plate.

There is also this rule:
10.4.3 A portion of the stride foot must remain in contact with the pitcher’s
plate at all times before beginning the forward step.
Note: If the pitcher has toed the pitcher’s plate and, without stepping or sliding
backward, simply drops her heel that forces her to lose contact with the pitcher’s
plate, there is no violation.
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There is also this. It would appear that perhaps they want to ensure a process whereby the batter and fielders all know when the pitcher is ready and that there will be no quick pitch:
10.1 Defensive Positioning Required for a Legal Pitch
10.1.1 The pitcher is considered to be in the pitching position when with her
hands apart, she steps forward, puts both feet on the pitcher’s plate, and
the catcher is in position to receive the pitch.
10.1.2 The pitcher may not take the pitching position on the pitcher’s plate
without being in possession of the ball, and she may not simulate the
pitching position with or without the ball when near the pitcher’s plate.
EFFECT—(10.1.1 and 10.1.2)—Delayed dead ball is signaled and illegal
pitch enforced. (See Rule 10.8.)
 
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LVJeff said:
Perhaps to ensure uniformity?
10.2.1.1 Both feet must be on the ground in contact with the pitcher’s plate
and a portion of the pivot foot must be on the top surface of the pitcher’s
plate. Any part of each foot in contact with the ground or pitcher’s plate
must be completely within the 24-inch length of the pitcher’s plate.

There is also this rule:
10.4.3 A portion of the stride foot must remain in contact with the pitcher’s
plate at all times before beginning the forward step.
Note: If the pitcher has toed the pitcher’s plate and, without stepping or sliding
backward, simply drops her heel that forces her to lose contact with the pitcher’s
plate, there is no violation.
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Uniformiity? Maybe, but I don't understand that. As long as there is a pitching rubber and each pitcher has to keep her pivot foot on it, that should cover it. That keeps everybody the same distance from the plate. That and requiring the toe to drag should really be enough. Deliveries should be allowed to be different, within reason. In fact all deliveries are a little different. A lot of girls like to do a little turn to the right or left before the pitch, some more than others. But not all.Some girls bend more at the waist. People who didn't see Megan Rhodes pitch in high school wouldn't believe how much she bent. She bent completely double and touched the dirt with her glove and threw the ball from that position. They changed that style when she got to UT.Some squat before they throw. It escapes me right now, but there is a current NCAA pitcher who squats nearly completely and I can't for the life of me see how her thighs make it through an entire game. You don't see the slingshot delivery anymore, but i assume it's still allowed. Girls just find the windmill allows them to throw harder. But why allow both the windmill and the slingshot? One might give an advantage over the other. I think because as long as each pitcher ends up pushing off from the same rubber, at the same distance from home, they should be allowed to have different technique in getting there.A baseball pitcher pitching from the windup is allowed to step off the rubber with his free foot, backwards or sideways, whatever each pitcher feels he needs to do to get his timing and to get his body in the best position to throw the ball. But they all eventually end up in basically the same position pushing off with the pivot foot and striding to the plate. I just think requiring the free foot to be in contact is kinda random and I think it probably leads to more stress on the back and arm. I've rambled way too long but that's just my humble opinion:p
 
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LVJeff said:
Why did somebody "like" the post about Leach being called out? :eek:hmy:
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I posted that Leach was called out because it was a fact that she did step out and it was called. Maybe someone liked it because it was a fact, not that she actually called out!:loco:
 
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LVJeff said:
There is also this. It would appear that perhaps they want to ensure a process whereby the batter and fielders all know when the pitcher is ready and that there will be no quick pitch:
10.1 Defensive Positioning Required for a Legal Pitch
10.1.1 The pitcher is considered to be in the pitching position when with her
hands apart, she steps forward, puts both feet on the pitcher’s plate, and
the catcher is in position to receive the pitch.
10.1.2 The pitcher may not take the pitching position on the pitcher’s plate
without being in possession of the ball, and she may not simulate the
pitching position with or without the ball when near the pitcher’s plate.
EFFECT—(10.1.1 and 10.1.2)—Delayed dead ball is signaled and illegal
pitch enforced. (See Rule 10.8.)
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Yeah but the rules allow for any number of gyrations before making the pitch once you've come set. Turning to the right or left. Bending. Squatting. Nothing says you'd have to do the same thing each time. Arnold likes to turn to the right before she throws. I assume she could turn right and then left if she chose and then throw the ball. Batters get used to the way she turns before she throws but what if she decided occasionally not to turn right first? That might catch a batter off guard. I don't see how allowing the pitcher to step back with her free foot would promote quick pitching. Pitchers already rock back from the toe to heel and lean back a little to get that backward-forward rocking feel. But they aren't required to and they could do it one pitch and not the next. As long as the pitcher has come set the batter has to be ready.
 
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larjoranj said:
Uniformiity? Maybe, but I don't understand that. As long as there is a pitching rubber and each pitcher has to keep her pivot foot on it, that should cover it. That keeps everybody the same distance from the plate. That and requiring the toe to drag should really be enough. Deliveries should be allowed to be different, within reason. In fact all deliveries are a little different. A lot of girls like to do a little turn to the right or left before the pitch, some more than others. But not all.Some girls bend more at the waist. People who didn't see Megan Rhodes pitch in high school wouldn't believe how much she bent. She bent completely double and touched the dirt with her glove and threw the ball from that position. They changed that style when she got to UT.Some squat before they throw. It escapes me right now, but there is a current NCAA pitcher who squats nearly completely and I can't for the life of me see how her thighs make it through an entire game. You don't see the slingshot delivery anymore, but i assume it's still allowed. Girls just find the windmill allows them to throw harder. But why allow both the windmill and the slingshot? One might give an advantage over the other. I think because as long as each pitcher ends up pushing off from the same rubber, at the same distance from home, they should be allowed to have different technique in getting there.A baseball pitcher pitching from the windup is allowed to step off the rubber with his free foot, backwards or sideways, whatever each pitcher feels he needs to do to get his timing and to get his body in the best position to throw the ball. But they all eventually end up in basically the same position pushing off with the pivot foot and striding to the plate. I just think requiring the free foot to be in contact is kinda random and I think it probably leads to more stress on the back and arm. I've rambled way too long but that's just my humble opinion:p
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Carla Hoover of LSU bends double that maybe who you're thinking of.
 
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LVJeff said:
Carla Hoover of LSU bends double that maybe who you're thinking of.
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Yes, she's the one. Holy cow how does she do that for 100 + pitches? She squats so deep she makes my thighs hurt. And then she rises slowly most of the way back up then pushes off just before she straightens up. But it looks like she could just dip 6 inches and be in the same position she's in when she throws now and save the wear on tear on her legs. But I guess you just get used to a certain way and don't want to disrupt your routine.
When Rhodes was in high school she would bend at the waist, keeping her knees straight, and touch the dirt with her glove and basically be looking back between her legs, and then rise up and throw without really looking at the target. Very intimidating for high school batters but I'd think eventually very hard on her lower back.
 
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#342
The University of Louisiana-Lafayette just beat #4 Texas A&M 11-9 at Texas A&M!

It couldn't have happened to a more deserving over-ranked team.

In order to comply with thread guidelines I'll mention that the UL-L pitcher was called for two consecutive illegal pitches in the game.
 
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LVJeff said:
The University of Louisiana-Lafayette just beat #4 Texas A&M 11-9 at Texas A&M!

It couldn't have happened to a more deserving over-ranked team.

In order to comply with thread guidelines I'll mention that the UL-L pitcher was called for two consecutive illegal pitches in the game.
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Man that LSU or A&M regional that will have ULL in it is going to be fantastic
 
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in other news, UT ladies just put another beat down on the Alabummers.

Congrats Lady Vols tennis team!
 
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armchair said:
Watch this video of Barnhill, and comment.

http://robocoach.websitetoolbox.com/post/does-she-replant-and-push-off-8484023?pid=1295455138
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Looks legal to me. The pivot foot drags the ground, or is so close to it you can't really tell. She doesn't replant. Her pivot foot kicks out to the first base side but she doesn't replant and push off a 2nd time. And her stride foot lands in the lane. Abbott used to step forward a little, completely off the rubber with her pivot foot and I think she got a few illegals called in her day. Softball pitching rules are stupid and don't fit human anatomy. It is natural to have more separation in the feet and step into the pitch and pitchers will always skirt the rules trying to find a way to be more comfortable in their delivery. JMHO:)
 
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larjoranj said:
Looks legal to me. The pivot foot drags the ground, or is so close to it you can't really tell. She doesn't replant. Her pivot foot kicks out to the first base side but she doesn't replant and push off a 2nd time. And her stride foot lands in the lane. Abbott used to step forward a little, completely off the rubber with her pivot foot and I think she got a few illegals called in her day. Softball pitching rules are stupid and don't fit human anatomy. It is natural to have more separation in the feet and step into the pitch and pitchers will always skirt the rules trying to find a way to be more comfortable in their delivery. JMHO:)
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It looks like a definite replant and push off to me. She is getting leverage with her replanted foot. I do not see dragging; I see a replant.
 
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LVJeff said:
Her toe is clearly off the ground, she replants, and is out of the lane.
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Well, I don't know the rules or what the lane is, but it looks like there is space between her foot and the ground. Minimal, but space. So if that is lillegal, it looks illegal to me. Gosh! You guys have a lot of esoteric information. I never knew all these rules existed, no wonder I stay confused!
 
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LVJeff said:
Her toe is clearly off the ground, she replants, and is out of the lane.
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She is not dragging the foot. It is moved forward in the air, put down and used for leverage as the ball is not close to leaving her hand yet when the replant occurs. I would even go so for as to say that this is an egregious replant. Can you imagine that right-handed hitter trying to hit her fast ball when she replants and steps off the left that whips that ball on the inside corner. Good luck with that!
 
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