Lamarcus Coker (Merged)

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#151
Yes, they are starting him now that they have confidence in him because he has produced in a game and did not make the mistakes they have seen him making on the practice field. I hope he is the next great back at UT, but you saying that the other RB's dont bring anything to the table that Coker doesnt again emphsizes your unwillingness to accept that a RB does much more than run with the football, especially the way UT's offense is going this season. I will bet you that if we asked Fulmer and Roper they would both say that Hardesty and Foster are both significantly better at pass protection, picking up blitzes, and ball security. Does that mean Coker is not a good RB, no. It just means he is a different style. He is a great runner, but they are wanting him to be a more well-rounded complete RB. That is what has kept his carries down. And, I do want to temper your excitement a little by saying that Coker has only carried 19 times and they all came against inferior talent. I hope he produces just as well against the likes of Georgia and LSU. If he does it is going to make our offense to another level.
 
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mikey said:
So they didn't just see Coker as a fast athlete then...they saw him as a fast RB and Hardesty as just an athlete...hmmm. Sounds like what I said.
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If you want to be technical, rivals listed Coker as an 'all-purpose back' or in other words more of a 3rd down/slot position type player. But, that is just since we are being technical.

The ATH tab is usually labeled on a recruit because he has shown success or potential to play multiple positions in college. Coker never played much defense to my knowledge and it was obivous his position was on offense. Hardesty had shown success and great potential at LB/S.
 
#153
#153
Now we are starting do agree. Of the three, he is probably the worst at passs pro. That, however, is something that can be fixed. The people I've talked to said the hip had as much to do with him being limited as much as anything. So here I have a point and a question...the point...Hardesty did very little against the same inferior talent last week...the question...assuming he continues to run hard and his pass pro keeps getting better (which it obviously has because they don't play RB's who can't pass pro) who's upside is the highest?
 
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#154
I think hardesty and foster play better in between the tackles and being bruisers, killing clock, wearing down defenses, and picking up their yards in the fourth quarter when it really matters (for those that remember, old-school tennessee football smash mouth football.. or we can all remember travis stephens going for 226 at florida in '01). there's only one problem w/ hardesty and foster's play. ya gotta have an offensive line that can beat the d-line. so far tennessee hasn't done that. far far ago in this thread people mentioned you have to have a hole to bust through a hole. Phil and cutty were calling plays up the gut and hardesty had no where to go. i'm all for coker getting the start this week to see what happens. i think eventually though we have to get an o-line that can create holes and make teams stack the box to stop a pound-it running game... if that doesn't happen, uga and lsu could be troublesome no matter how fast coker is getting to the corner. Also, when will get a healthy foster? i wanna see what he can do after last year.
 
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volfanbill said:
I think hardesty and foster play better in between the tackles and being bruisers, killing clock, wearing down defenses, and picking up their yards in the fourth quarter when it really matters (for those that remember, old-school tennessee football smash mouth football.. or we can all remember travis stephens going for 226 at florida in '01). there's only one problem w/ hardesty and foster's play. ya gotta have an offensive line that can beat the d-line. so far tennessee hasn't done that. far far ago in this thread people mentioned you have to have a hole to bust through a hole. Phil and cutty were calling plays up the gut and hardesty had no where to go. i'm all for coker getting the start this week to see what happens. i think eventually though we have to get an o-line that can create holes and make teams stack the box to stop a pound-it running game... if that doesn't happen, uga and lsu could be troublesome no matter how fast coker is getting to the corner. Also, when will get a healthy foster? i wanna see what he can do after last year.
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I agree that the oline needs to step up and I think they will. Their best linemen are young and will get better. The problem with your statement, though, is that Coker was running the same plays as Hardesty. They don't have a special "get to the corner" play. Coker didn't score on a toss sweep. He had a good cut-back on the same zone play that Hardesty had run all day.
 
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mikey said:
I agree that the oline needs to step up and I think they will. Their best linemen are young and will get better. The problem with your statement, though, is that Coker was running the same plays as Hardesty. They don't have a special "get to the corner" play. Coker didn't score on a toss sweep. He had a good cut-back on the same zone play that Hardesty had run all day.
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Exactly. It was a great run by Coker. The play was originally designed to go to the right and he saw a hole and cut back to the left. After that it was pure speed.
 
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utvol0427 said:
Exactly. It was a great run by Coker. The play was originally designed to go to the right and he saw a hole and cut back to the left. After that it was pure speed.
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i see that as completely different. the line pushes everyone to the right, creating an opening on the outside and coker went there. i've watched 30 times and i still see that. i don't see coker seeing the opening and changing routes.. It was designed to fake the defense into going one way while coker went the other. even the receivers were ready to block that run. Marshall sent all their men to the middle because that's where we had been going so often. I think it was a designed play.
 
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volfanbill said:
i see that as completely different. the line pushes everyone to the right, creating an opening on the outside and coker went there. i've watched 30 times and i still see that. i don't see coker seeing the opening and changing routes.. It was designed to fake the defense into going one way while coker went the other. even the receivers were ready to block that run. Marshall sent all their men to the middle because that's where we had been going so often. I think it was a designed play.
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You may be right. I saw that, but from hearing people talking and watching it myself it still appears that the hole wasn't there to the right. We only had one receiver out on the corner to block(Swain I think) and he just barely made the block. I think if it was designed he would have had himself in a better position to make the block.
 
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volfanbill said:
i see that as completely different. the line pushes everyone to the right, creating an opening on the outside and coker went there. i've watched 30 times and i still see that. i don't see coker seeing the opening and changing routes.. It was designed to fake the defense into going one way while coker went the other. even the receivers were ready to block that run. Marshall sent all their men to the middle because that's where we had been going so often. I think it was a designed play.
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Nope. The play is called a outside zone play or a "stretch" play. The Broncos and, now, the Texans run the inside and outside zone as their entire running game. The push did go to the right, but the RB makes a read and cuts. Generally, it will open up either outside or inside the tackle, but there is no designed hole for it to go in. There was a huge push to the right and he saw the hole left. It is not a called cut back. As for the WR's blocking backside, we run the same play and teach our WR's that they have to block even if they are backside because you never know where it will break.
 
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#160
I think that the hole on Coker's TD run was the biggest of the day. I think Hardesty would have gotten big yardage on the play. However, I am not sure that Hardesty would have turned it all the way into a TD. Coker's speed allowed him to beat that safety and we will never know if Hardesty's speed would have allowed him to also beat the safety on that play. Personally, I do not hink he would have. However, it is incorrect to think the whole play was successful just because of Coker. The OL and TE made great blocks, the defense was in a bad containment call, and Hardesty would have been successful running that play. Coker was likely more successful in taking it to the house. That safety took an angle that he thought would allow him to catch him and then the safety wasnt even close. I promise you the safety didnt know how fast he was.
 
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therickbol said:
I think that the hole on Coker's TD run was the biggest of the day. I think Hardesty would have gotten big yardage on the play. However, I am not sure that Hardesty would have turned it all the way into a TD. Coker's speed allowed him to beat that safety and we will never know if Hardesty's speed would have allowed him to also beat the safety on that play. Personally, I do not hink he would have. However, it is incorrect to think the whole play was successful just because of Coker. The OL and TE made great blocks, the defense was in a bad containment call, and Hardesty would have been successful running that play. Coker was likely more successful in taking it to the house. That safety took an angle that he thought would allow him to catch him and then the safety wasnt even close. I promise you the safety didnt know how fast he was.
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Mark this on your calendar...I agree 100% with Rick's entire post...I never said it was all because of Coker. He just made a good read and cut...the line got an outstanding push...the only thing I would change is...where you say you're not sure whether Hardesty would have taken to the house I'd say I'm pretty sure he wouldn't...otherwise, we're on the same page. The thing I think people miss about speed like he has is this...It's not just that he can outrun most everybody on the field. In order for a safety to take an angle that would allow him to head him off, he's giving him an easy cut back angle. Had either of those guys gotten a good enough angle to get to him, you probably would have seen him cut back to the middle of the field at the last second. He's not just "track fast". He's pretty shifty, too, when he needs to be.
 
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jaybird_1981 said:
:) Well just to make my point clear I think Coker needs to get carries but I don't believe he is going to be a 25 carry a game back he's not built that way. Give him 10-15 touches a game maybe.
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I seem to remember the same comments being said about Travis Stephens and he proved to be pretty durable....I guess the only true way to find out is to give him the touches....
 
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Vol71 said:
I seem to remember the same comments being said about Travis Stephens and he proved to be pretty durable....I guess the only true way to find out is to give him the touches....
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Good point...and Coker's a good bit bigger than Stephens. It doesn't take a Gerald Riggs or Jamal Lewis sized guy to carry it every time.
 
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