Laremy Tunsil admits he accepted money from Ole Miss coach

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bamawriter said:
I haven't changed a thing. You are struggling to comprehend the English language.



Yes it is. Coming up with fewer than 10 examples, in the history of the sport, of guys who made the NFL without playing college football is a painfully dumb argument. You have a better chance of being struck by lightning.



No it isn't.



Again I will ask:

If your employer came to you and told you that, in lieu of a salary, you will be paid with an education in a totally unrelated field, would you take it?



Are we talking an ROTC scholarship pre-service, or something like a GI Bill scholarship post-service?

If the former: no. In that case, you're going to school to pursue a career in the military.

If the latter: no. In that case, the military has compensated you with a salary, and the scholarship is an incentive. UPS also has a really stellar education benefit that I also see no problem with. But you still get paid with actual US currency, and the education is an added benefit.



Whether or not the school manages to run a successful athletic program is irrelevant as to whether a kid is fairly compensated for his efforts.

And what you are still having a stunningly difficult time grasping is this simple fact:

Whether a kid went to a Power 5 school, or a mid-major, or a lower division program, if his chosen career goal is to play in the NFL, he is being compensated with an education that is irrelevant to that goal.

I am all for a kid using sports as a vehicle for getting his education. If Josh Dobbs were to decide that he wants to be an astronaut rather than play in the NFL, then awesome. He used his talents to pay for a relevant education. If he makes his living playing football, then his diploma is little more than a fancy piece of paper. Whether the NFL or the ISS is in his future, he will have spent 4 years making money for the University of Tennessee, and he will have received only a fraction of his personal value in return.
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How many NFL players actually retire on their NFL money? Football stops at 35 generally. lots of life to be lived. and for the lower paid guys they need that education. NFL money isn't enough they need another option, and that is where their education comes into play.

and to answer your question if my employer offered me education benefits/room & board/training/healthcare for the 4 years I worked here in an unrelated field I might take them up on it. of course in your hypothetical you have to assume I am retiring from my current job at 35 and need something to do afterwards. and that's where the education comes into play for the 3% of college players that make it to the NFL. now for the other 97% that education seems really damn important.

If the 10% making it to the NFL via a way that didn't gain from them doesn't count, why are you worried about the 3% of college players whose education is "useless"? and education is never useless, what we do with it determines its worth.
 
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I found this a bit amusing in today's sports news:

Ole Miss Rebels coach Hugh Freeze 'shocked' by Laremy Tunsil comments

So there is a huge difference between:
<player appears to throw school under bus>
Coach: *gasp* "I'm stunned at this!"
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...and...
<player appears to throw school under bus>
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<everyone goes to sleep, wakes up next morning>
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<everyone goes to sleep, wakes up next morning>
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<everyone goes to sleep, wakes up next morning>
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<everyone goes to sleep, wakes up next morning>
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Coach: *gasp* "I'm stunned at this!"
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Where has the good coach's shocked reaction been for the past six days?

Seems a bit manufactured, at this point.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
:eek:lol:

Hugh Sleaze is becoming a punchline. They have been under investigation since last summer for improper benefits provided to Tunsil and now he is "shocked" to hear Tunsil was paid? No gifs are even necessary. This is comical on it's own.
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Most telling sentence in that article

One reason Ole Miss was able to jump into the league's elite was its sudden ability to recruit elite athletes.
 
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Reports: Freeze asked for sealed depositions in Laremy Tunsil, Lindsey Miller case

This has to be some sort of joke. This just makes the situation look even worse.

According to the Clarion Ledger and TMZ Sports, Freeze’s attorneys have made several requests regarding their clients involvement in the event that Freeze is asked to give a deposition.

First of all, Freeze does not wish to take the stand and requests all questions to be presented to him in written form, said questions should only pertain to conversations Freeze had with Tunsil regarded the specific event in question and most importantly his involvement must be sealed pending court order.

The reason that last request is so important, Freeze does not want the NCAA to have the ability to view the coach’s statements to use against him or against Ole Miss in either the pending Notice of Allegations the NCAA has issued the school or any new investigation the NCAA may pursue in light of Tunsil’s comments immediately following his draft selection by the Miami Dolphins or the text messages posted to his Instagram page on draft night.
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bamawriter said:
I haven't changed a thing. You are struggling to comprehend the English language.



Yes it is. Coming up with fewer than 10 examples, in the history of the sport, of guys who made the NFL without playing college football is a painfully dumb argument. You have a better chance of being struck by lightning.



No it isn't.



Again I will ask:

If your employer came to you and told you that, in lieu of a salary, you will be paid with an education in a totally unrelated field, would you take it?



Are we talking an ROTC scholarship pre-service, or something like a GI Bill scholarship post-service?

If the former: no. In that case, you're going to school to pursue a career in the military.

If the latter: no. In that case, the military has compensated you with a salary, and the scholarship is an incentive. UPS also has a really stellar education benefit that I also see no problem with. But you still get paid with actual US currency, and the education is an added benefit.



Whether or not the school manages to run a successful athletic program is irrelevant as to whether a kid is fairly compensated for his efforts.

And what you are still having a stunningly difficult time grasping is this simple fact:

Whether a kid went to a Power 5 school, or a mid-major, or a lower division program, if his chosen career goal is to play in the NFL, he is being compensated with an education that is irrelevant to that goal.

I am all for a kid using sports as a vehicle for getting his education. If Josh Dobbs were to decide that he wants to be an astronaut rather than play in the NFL, then awesome. He used his talents to pay for a relevant education. If he makes his living playing football, then his diploma is little more than a fancy piece of paper. Whether the NFL or the ISS is in his future, he will have spent 4 years making money for the University of Tennessee, and he will have received only a fraction of his personal value in return.
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What does it cost for UT to provide the stage for Josh Dobbs to gain his notoriety? How much is it worth for a high school athlete to participate in a major college football program. If the major programs are using them then they should consider schools like Alcorn State, or Slippery Rock. Maybe at schools like that the almighty dollar might not contaminate their lifestyle.
 
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