Laremy Tunsil admits he accepted money from Ole Miss coach

Anyone thinking Ole Piss will see anything more than a slap on the wrist should look at the NCAA's amended notice of allegations to UNC. They dropped any mention of football and men’s basketball. Looks like the womens basketball program is going to take the bullet for the real money makers.....

The NCAA is an absolute ****ing joke!
 
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Anyone thinking Ole Piss will see anything more than a slap on the wrist should look at the NCAA's amended notice of allegations to UNC. They dropped any mention of football and men’s basketball. Looks like the womens basketball program is going to take the bullet for the real money makers.....

The NCAA is an absolute ****ing joke!

That's not true. The allegations against Deborah Crowder and Julius Nyang'oro that pertain to academic fraud involving the African-American Studies courses are all contained in the amended notice...as are the allegations against Jan Boxill and women's basketball.
 
Why are pro sports different? Star Players make way more then the coaches.

We're paying for entertainment. Just like the hordes in the stands watching the gladiators in ancient Rome, we experience catharsis seeing physical feats we ourselves cannot accomplish at that level.

Simply put, we pay these guys top dollar to sacrifice their bodies for our pleasure. When they cease to be entertaining we cut the cash and tell them to go screw themselves out of our sight while we reminisce about their glory days and pay the next crop of lion food to start the process over.

The only real way out of the spiral is to be able to string together enough words to resemble a sentence, then you get an announcing or commentary gig when your body stops being able to take what we demand of it.
 
That's not true. The allegations against Deborah Crowder and Julius Nyang'oro that pertain to academic fraud involving the African-American Studies courses are all contained in the amended notice...as are the allegations against Jan Boxill and women's basketball.

Well I guess what Bill Meade said on the Sports Animal and what I read in an internet article (don't have a link so don't ask) was false then. I/they stand corrected....

That being said, the NCAA is still a ****ing joke...
 
Why are pro sports different? Star Players make way more then the coaches.

its officially what they are there for. As we have tried to point out, the vast majority of players in college aren't going pro. However 100% of the pros are professionals. also the NFL has at least the same market value as college football, maybe more. it has fewer teams and fewer players. 50 something on a roster, 32 teams vs 110 on a college roster over 128 schools at the D1 level. at that level with the players union or whatever and it actually being about making money the players are more important than the coaches a lot of times. at the college level I can't think of a single player worth more than their coach.

and again two different systems.
 
and to those saying the college game is the only way into NFL this draft should tell you something.

One guy from Canada, one from Germany and one that didn't go to college. also plenty of guys taken from small colleges that don't make millions off their players. including Wentz in the first round (number two overall I think). by my count there were at least 25 guys that made it to the NFL that didn't do the major college route. ~10% of the draft that did something that "couldn't be done because the option doesn't exist". and this wasn't a one time thing. pretty much every draft is the same with enough outliers to make up about 10% of the most elite level of football.
 
and to those saying the college game is the only way into NFL this draft should tell you something.

One guy from Canada, one from Germany and one that didn't go to college. also plenty of guys taken from small colleges that don't make millions off their players. including Wentz in the first round (number two overall I think). by my count there were at least 25 guys that made it to the NFL that didn't do the major college route. ~10% of the draft that did something that "couldn't be done because the option doesn't exist". and this wasn't a one time thing. pretty much every draft is the same with enough outliers to make up about 10% of the most elite level of football.

Oh, so only 90% of the NFL is made up of players from the top level of the college game? Guess that proves that the current model isn't exploitative.
 
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Oh, so only 90% of the NFL is made up of players from the top level of the college game? Guess that proves that the current model isn't exploitative.

no, you asked for examples of how else to make it to the NFL. I did, you ignored or downplayed and this draft was chock (sp?) full of examples myself and others gave. this argument wasn't about if college football is exploitative, thats another we are just yelling at each other, but how else to get into the NFL. you maintained it was the ONLY way, and you were proved wrong and so now you are combining your two arguments.
 
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no, you asked for examples of how else to make it to the NFL. I did, you ignored or downplayed and this draft was chock (sp?) full of examples myself and others gave. this argument wasn't about if college football is exploitative, thats another we are just yelling at each other, but how else to get into the NFL. you maintained it was the ONLY way, and you were proved wrong and so now you are combining your two arguments.

You sure showed me. A small percentage definitely disproves everything.
 
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So you agree with what I said earlier: there is no other market in this country.

At least baseball gives their players a choice.

You sure showed me. A small percentage definitely disproves everything.

continuing with exaggeration are we? realize defeat is closer than you thought? I even stated there were two different arguments, never said anything about the other half.

but instead of admitting there are other options, or changing your argument you are sticking to your guns. and if I was on a bama board making asinine arguments I would expect the same thing you are experiencing; before you go all martyr on us.
 
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continuing with exaggeration are we? realize defeat is closer than you thought? I even stated there were two different arguments, never said anything about the other half.

but instead of admitting there are other options, or changing your argument you are sticking to your guns. and if I was on a bama board making asinine arguments I would expect the same thing you are experiencing; before you go all martyr on us.

What exactly do you think you're disproving? There are no other markets in this country. Zero. There is no other full-time professional league, and the highest-paid semi-pro league (the AFL) plays an entirely different game.

Your only college options that aren't under the NCAA banner are NAIA schools, and their scholarships offer even less than NCAA agreements.

So sure, one could choose not to play college ball at all. And maybe that one would be fortunate enough to be the fourth player in history to be drafted without having played in college.
 
Well I guess what Bill Meade said on the Sports Animal and what I read in an internet article (don't have a link so don't ask) was false then. I/they stand corrected....

That being said, the NCAA is still a ****ing joke...

Well, looking into it further the NCAA did make two changes in the amendment which could be interpreted as a lessening of the allegations against the football and basketball programs. They are no longer referring to the academic fraud committed by Deborah Crowder as 'impermissible benefits' and they are no longer singling out football and basketball players as the primary beneficiaries of the fraud (but they are still referring to the fraud committed by Jan Boxill who wrote papers for and helped change grades for women's bball players as impermissible benefits without explaining the difference between Crowder and Boxill). However, the most serious allegation of 'lack of institutional control' remains in the amendment and all of the allegations levied against Crowder are still contained in the notice of findings. They did change the semantics of the findings against Crowder which one might find suspicious. I can understand why someone would think that this is opening the door for the NCAA to send the women's basketball program back to the stone age so they can go easy on the football and men's basketball programs. I don't think that is so clear but we should see in just a few months.
 
What exactly do you think you're disproving? There are no other markets in this country. Zero. There is no other full-time professional league, and the highest-paid semi-pro league (the AFL) plays an entirely different game.

Your only college options that aren't under the NCAA banner are NAIA schools, and their scholarships offer even less than NCAA agreements.

So sure, one could choose not to play college ball at all. And maybe that one would be fortunate enough to be the fourth player in history to be drafted without having played in college.

again you are compounding two arguments. or in this case making a third. I am not commenting on the NFL, they have been allowed to break the anti monopoly laws. no argument there. you stated there was no other option for getting into the NFL. you were proved wrong and continue to bring up irrelevant points to try and save it.

and those lower schools don't profit from their players. seems like you should be all for the lower schools, including D3 under the NCAA.

not sure where you got the bolded. found this article pretty fast and it just covers the five best that didn't attend college. NFL: The 5 Best Players Who Didn’t Even Go to College
 
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again you are compounding two arguments. or in this case making a third. I am not commenting on the NFL, they have been allowed to break the anti monopoly laws. no argument there. you stated there was no other option for getting into the NFL. you were proved wrong and continue to bring up irrelevant points to try and save it.

It is amazing how bad you are at trying to make this point.

"Hey Look! This small set over here aren't getting screwed! That proves that no one is getting screwed!" That, or "This proves that there's a very easy way to accomplish your goals without getting screwed! One outta ten ain't bad!"

And even then, the lower division players are still getting screwed. They just happen to play for programs that can't manage to drum up enough interest to profit off their cheap labor.

I'd say you can't possibly be so dumb as to think this is a decent argument, but you'll inevitably make the same argument in your next post.


not sure where you got the bolded. found this article pretty fast and it just covers the five best that didn't attend college. NFL: The 5 Best Players Who Didn’t Even Go to College

Of that list, only Eric Swann was drafted. The German kid who got picked on Saturday was the third player to be drafted who didn't play college football.

Here's the NFL's Official Draft Site


It hasn't been updated with 2016 yet, but I think you're a smart enough guy to had 1 to the list.
 
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So we've kind of diverted from the original intent of this thread...

Anything new on the NCAA and Ole Miss?
 
So, Tunsil's camp is supposedly looking into a "financial" advisor as the person who hacked his account. Tunsil hired this guy in October, while he was still playing. Keeps getting better.
 
So, Tunsil's camp is supposedly looking into a "financial" advisor as the person who hacked his account. Tunsil hired this guy in October, while he was still playing. Keeps getting better.

Don't all college kids have financial advisers?

Separately, it looks like Hugh Freeze's public relations strategy will be to double down on the sanctimony. More tweets citing bible verses and the touting of his and his wife's Christian faith on the way. He is an audacious fraud.
 
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Don't all college kids have financial advisers?

Separately, it looks like Hugh Freeze's public relations strategy will be to double down on the sanctimony. More tweets citing bible verses and the touting of his and his wife's Christian faith on the way. He is an audacious fraud.

With donkey teeth
 
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Don't all college kids have financial advisers?

Separately, it looks like Hugh Freeze's public relations strategy will be to double down on the sanctimony. More tweets citing bible verses and the touting of his and his wife's Christian faith on the way. He is an audacious fraud.

Whether they do or don't, if they sue him for damages, the testimony he makes about what transpired between him and Tunsil would be the interesting part. He has no reason to protect Ole Miss and neither does Tunsil. Realistically, both could throw OM under the bus if under oath in a courtroom.
 
It is amazing how bad you are at trying to make this point.

"Hey Look! This small set over here aren't getting screwed! That proves that no one is getting screwed!" That, or "This proves that there's a very easy way to accomplish your goals without getting screwed! One outta ten ain't bad!"

And even then, the lower division players are still getting screwed. They just happen to play for programs that can't manage to drum up enough interest to profit off their cheap labor.

I'd say you can't possibly be so dumb as to think this is a decent argument, but you'll inevitably make the same argument in your next post.




Of that list, only Eric Swann was drafted. The German kid who got picked on Saturday was the third player to be drafted who didn't play college football.

Here's the NFL's Official Draft Site


It hasn't been updated with 2016 yet, but I think you're a smart enough guy to had 1 to the list.

again changing the argument. First it was there was no way to get into the NFL except by college. when that didn't work you had to change your argument to drafted.

all of this goes back to your original argument that college ball is set up to take advantage. 1. Its not the only option. 2. Its completely optional. 3. and they are very fairly compensated.

do you have a problem with the military offering scholarships for service? thats a hell of a lot more dangerous and a bigger commitment and the military gets a heck of a lot more out of it than football ever will.


how does the bold make sense to you? they are getting taken advantage of by a school that doesn't profit from it? in most of the small school cases they would be better off without football. (financially)

and ten percent of NFL is a pretty significant number, considering as you argue there is no other option.
 
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again changing the argument. First it was there was no way to get into the NFL except by college. when that didn't work you had to change your argument to drafted.

I haven't changed a thing. You are struggling to comprehend the English language.

all of this goes back to your original argument that college ball is set up to take advantage. 1. Its not the only option.

Yes it is. Coming up with fewer than 10 examples, in the history of the sport, of guys who made the NFL without playing college football is a painfully dumb argument. You have a better chance of being struck by lightning.

2. Its completely optional.

No it isn't.

3. and they are very fairly compensated.

Again I will ask:

If your employer came to you and told you that, in lieu of a salary, you will be paid with an education in a totally unrelated field, would you take it?

do you have a problem with the military offering scholarships for service? thats a hell of a lot more dangerous and a bigger commitment and the military gets a heck of a lot more out of it than football ever will.

Are we talking an ROTC scholarship pre-service, or something like a GI Bill scholarship post-service?

If the former: no. In that case, you're going to school to pursue a career in the military.

If the latter: no. In that case, the military has compensated you with a salary, and the scholarship is an incentive. UPS also has a really stellar education benefit that I also see no problem with. But you still get paid with actual US currency, and the education is an added benefit.

how does the bold make sense to you? they are getting taken advantage of by a school that doesn't profit from it? in most of the small school cases they would be better off without football. (financially)

and ten percent of NFL is a pretty significant number, considering as you argue there is no other option.

Whether or not the school manages to run a successful athletic program is irrelevant as to whether a kid is fairly compensated for his efforts.

And what you are still having a stunningly difficult time grasping is this simple fact:

Whether a kid went to a Power 5 school, or a mid-major, or a lower division program, if his chosen career goal is to play in the NFL, he is being compensated with an education that is irrelevant to that goal.

I am all for a kid using sports as a vehicle for getting his education. If Josh Dobbs were to decide that he wants to be an astronaut rather than play in the NFL, then awesome. He used his talents to pay for a relevant education. If he makes his living playing football, then his diploma is little more than a fancy piece of paper. Whether the NFL or the ISS is in his future, he will have spent 4 years making money for the University of Tennessee, and he will have received only a fraction of his personal value in return.
 
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