Large Explosion in downtown Nashville

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hog88 said:
Refusing a search generally raises a cops suspicion. They could have surveilled and looked into him. Cops don't mind pissing away "resources" trying to bust drug dealers off the word of an informant.
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Raising suspicion is not establishing probable cause. And what kind of surveillance would you have liked them to do? Sit outside his house for months? And, as I've said multiple times, they did "look into him," and found a weed bust from the 70s.
 
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Velo Vol said:
How is any law enforcement going to get probable cause to obtain search warrant if a tip about suspected bomb making isn't enough?
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They try to find evidence to back up the tip. Heck, someone (maybe you) asked "what if it had been a neighbor that gave the tip?" Well, if a neighbor had given a tip in addition to the ex's tip, that could arguably be independent corroboration even in the absence of physical evidence.
 
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Velo Vol said:
How is any law enforcement going to get probable cause to obtain search warrant if a tip about suspected bomb making isn't enough?
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They sent it to the FBI and they looked at it...he had no terrorist affiliations, no red flag online activity, one minor drug charge from 30 years prior....there are hundreds of similar tips followed up each month that lead no where because there is no evidence. I could call in a tip on YOU saying you were involved in a sex trafficking ring in your house, but one house visit and an FBI follow-up would like show nothing like that. And it's not enough for a warrant for them to search your house
 
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bamawriter said:
They try to find evidence to back up the tip. Heck, someone (maybe you) asked "what if it had been a neighbor that gave the tip?" Well, if a neighbor had given a tip in addition to the ex's tip, that could arguably be independent corroboration even in the absence of physical evidence.
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Anthony Warner's girlfriend warned police he was building bombs in his RV last year

Throckmorton said he had represented Warner in the past on various real estate issues, but he believed what Warner's girlfriend was saying.

"She was so convincing that morning, and so distraught, that I decided in the front yard in the middle of all those police officers on the spot, that even though it was a former client of mine, that somebody needed to go check it out right then," Throckmorton said.
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Rickyvol77 said:
I could call in a tip on YOU saying you were involved in a sex trafficking ring in your house, but one house visit and an FBI follow-up would like show nothing like that. And it's not enough for a warrant for them to search your house
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You're not my girlfriend or neighbor.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Can we all agree that more should have been done in preventing this whack job from building a bomb and blowing it up in downtown Nashville? I am no law expert, but the red flags were there.
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They are ALWAYS there...but usually people ignore them, L.E. is hampered by what they can do, it always falls back on the lack of resources for the mentally ill/psych population, and every once in awhile 1 out of every 10 million people or so pull off some stunt like this
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Can we all agree that more should have been done in preventing this whack job from building a bomb and blowing it up in downtown Nashville? I am no law expert, but the red flags were there.
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Well sure, that would be been great. But that sentiment isn't helpful unless someone can identify some further step that could have reasonably been taken.
 
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KB5252 said:
Yeah but building an explosive in a trailer is a slightly different call.
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And they investigated the report to the extent that they legally could. The significance of the crime being reported is not what establishes probable cause.
 
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Lizard people, 5G, QANON, off the wall election conspiracies. Dang it. I knew I should have invested in aluminum futures. Production and sales of tinfoil for those cute hats must be through the roof.
 
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bamawriter said:
I understand the impulse to say "If the cops had searched his house/RV, this wouldn't have happened!" And maybe that hypothetical is true. But it is really weird to read folks saying that the cops shouldn't have followed the law.
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Consider what rights a person actually has with respect to "self-incrimination" and "right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures". The Nazi's only wish they had had it so easy. Then there's all the stuff that the NSA or whoever has on record that is only a phony FISA request away.


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bamawriter said:
They try to find evidence to back up the tip. Heck, someone (maybe you) asked "what if it had been a neighbor that gave the tip?" Well, if a neighbor had given a tip in addition to the ex's tip, that could arguably be independent corroboration even in the absence of physical evidence.
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We had a good friend who was shot and killed inside his home just because of an unverified 911 call. He was shot through a window while going downstairs at something like 1 AM to see what was going on - never even knew it was the cops outside. He was a retired Navy officer - one of the nicest and most helpful people you would ever meet; there's evidence that cops don't always verify information before acting. Of course, he wasn't black, so nobody particularly cared.
 
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bamawriter said:
And they investigated the report to the extent that they legally could. The significance of the crime being reported is not what establishes probable cause.
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My only real point was considering a report was filed in the recent past the statement from MNPD that he wasn't on their radar isn't a good look. Seems to me there is a better response to that question.
 
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KB5252 said:
My only real point was considering a report was filed in the recent past the statement from MNPD that he wasn't on their radar isn't a good look. Seems to me there is a better response to that question.
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I can see that point. They could have be a little more specific in their communication.

But they investigated him a year and a half ago, and they got no further reports in the interim. I wouldn't really expect him to be "on their radar."
 
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AM64 said:
We had a good friend who was shot and killed inside his home just because of an unverified 911 call. He was shot through a window while going downstairs at something like 1 AM to see what was going on - never even knew it was the cops outside. He was a retired Navy officer - one of the nicest and most helpful people you would ever meet; there's evidence that cops don't always verify information before acting. Of course, he wasn't black, so nobody particularly cared.
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Why was a police officer firing through a window?

Sheesh.
 
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