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#76
#76
Fijivol72 said:
This! Not only a very good football coach by IMO a damn good AD. He never let the school get shafted when talking bowls, and holding our ground with SEC powers. I believe the hate you see here is based on the poster's who don't have a clue who he was, when he coached and our records during that time. I'll try to play nice the are very uninformed.
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You need to do your homework. The man was an absolute sleaze. It was never about anything but the money with him.
 
#77
#77
ImportedVoL said:
you people with this crap really kill me....ya Majors is the reason Fulmer won a NC 10 years after he took over the program.



Majors was a damn good coach, and definitely improved the program from where it was previously by a large margin. and then FULMER improved it more, and got us to the top. You know the reason that our fans have such high expectations? Because Fulmer won so much, because Fulmer recruited well..

To try and put Majors over Fulmer is completely ridiculous.. if it really is all about wins and losses. Fulmer has the most wins and highest winning percentage.. Is it about championships? Fulmer definitely wins that race also. And what Majors did at another school does not mean anything.

I swear people are so desperate to make it seem firing Fulmer was not the biggest mistake UT has made in the last 50 years that they will do anything to try and discredit Fulmers accomplishments. It is sad....
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You first sentence tell you do not know what you are talking about. You are aware records are kept.

I praised and faulted both coaches in my post you replied to and I stick to that post 100%.

1. Johnny Majors left the program in better shape than it was when he took over the program.

2. Phillip Fulmer left the program in worse shape than it was when he took over the program.

Anyone that does not agree with 1 and 2 is not accepting reality.
 
#78
#78
KBVol said:
Perhaps Dooley didn't make a "mockery" of the program, but he damaged it more in his 3 disastrous/losing seasons than Kiffin did with his secondary violations and shameful exit.
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There u go again KB. Acting like Dooley took over a "winning" program, and then purposely took the WHOLE 2 and half seasons he was given to run it down to the ground. Such a jilted lover u r.
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#79
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Oskie Volum said:
There u go again KB. Acting like Dooley took over a "winning" program, and then purposely took the WHOLE 2 and half seasons he was given to run it down to the ground. Such a jilted lover u r.
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You got issues man. Didn't say he took over a winning program.... however, the last winning season we've had was during Kiffin's lone season. #LivingInOskiesHeadRentFree
 
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KBVol said:
You got issues man. Didn't say he took over a winning program.... however, the last winning season we've had was during Kiffin's lone season. #LivingInOskiesHeadRentFree
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Nvr said u actually said it. Said u act as if u he did. 7-6 isn't the type of winning season any Vol fan should be proud of either.
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#81
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Oskie Volum said:
Nvr said u actually said it. Said u act as if u he did. 7-6 isn't the type of winning season any Vol fan should be proud of either.
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Not proud at all. I don't act as anything other than a disappointed fan who states his opinion based on historical fact and what's known.

I can remember not very long ago when when 10 wins was a minimum expectation and everything hinged on the Florida game. But that was before the Kiffin fiasco and Dooley disaster. Here's hoping Butch is the right guy to have us back at the top soon. The last 2 certainly were not.
 
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orangefloyd said:
You need to do your homework. The man was an absolute sleaze. It was never about anything but the money with him.
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Athletics is a business. Business is about money. Winning helps the bottom line. The bottom line and winning don't have to be mutually exclusive.

As an aside, I started at U.T. in the fall of 67. Doug Dickey's teams never lost a home game while I was a student. I have pretty good memories of Doug Dickey. When I took my seat on Saturdays, I knew we would win.
 
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Gramps said:
You first sentence tell you do not know what you are talking about. You are aware records are kept.

I praised and faulted both coaches in my post you replied to and I stick to that post 100%.

1. Johnny Majors left the program in better shape than it was when he took over the program.

2. Phillip Fulmer left the program in worse shape than it was when he took over the program.

Anyone that does not agree with 1 and 2 is not accepting reality.
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What you say is correct, though it doesn't touch on what each coach accomplished DURING their tenure. Fulmer may have sunk the ship, but he sailed around the world in it before he sank it. Majors was never going to win a NC here.
 
#87
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VolFan4Life87 said:
What you say is correct, though it doesn't touch on what each coach accomplished DURING their tenure. Fulmer may have sunk the ship, but he sailed around the world in it before he sank it. Majors was never going to win a NC here.
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In my first post I said just that.

I said I did not think Majors could have won a NC at TN and I said I did not think Fulmer could rebuild the program.it took both to bring us the NC.

In 1989 the Vols went 11-1 and shared the SEC Championship.
In 1990 the Vols went 9-2-2 and won the SEC outright
In 1991 the Vols went 9-3
In 1992 Majors gets fired after heart surgery

In Majors last 3 full seasons he was 29-6-2 with 2 SEC titles.
How many coaches are fired with that kind of record?
 
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KBVol said:
Not proud at all. I don't act as anything other than a disappointed fan who states his opinion based on historical fact and what's known.

I can remember not very long ago when when 10 wins was a minimum expectation and everything hinged on the Florida game. But that was before the Kiffin fiasco and Dooley disaster. Here's hoping Butch is the right guy to have us back at the top soon. The last 2 certainly were not.
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See KB here is where we differ on the way we look at things. A team winning 5-8 a year is not much different. 9-12 a yr, 0-4 a year, imo are the other groupings.

Imo Bowl games are nice, but aren't the best judge of a team. The regular season is. Both LK and dooley had 6 win regular season games in those back to back seasons. LK won his bowl game, and dooley didn't (which that loss created a new rule).

So to me LK going 7-6 vs Dooley's 6-7 isn't a good tell on who is better. My issue with u, and others is that ur good on bashing Dooley when comparing him to LK but if someone were to say something about CBJ having the same record as Dooley did the year before u'd get upset and say that CBJ is a better coach then he is. Based on what??...ur hatred for dooley??
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#89
#89
CBJ did beat a ranked team...Dooley not so much...and CBJ is stocking
better talent faster then Dooley did in 3 years... and Dooley had better talent
his last 2 years than CBJ did in his first...but this will all play out over the next few years and then the real answer will revealed
 
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Gramps said:
In my first post I said just that.

I said I did not think Majors could have won a NC at TN and I said I did not think Fulmer could rebuild the program.it took both to bring us the NC.

In 1989 the Vols went 11-1 and shared the SEC Championship.
In 1990 the Vols went 9-2-2 and won the SEC outright
In 1991 the Vols went 9-3
In 1992 Majors gets fired after heart surgery

In Majors last 3 full seasons he was 29-6-2 with 2 SEC titles.
How many coaches are fired with that kind of record?
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Only because Florida was on probation. I would not really call that "outright".
 
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ric, that is a great point. Actually, UF had a better record. UT had a loss and a tie and UF had only one loss but that loss was 45-3 to the Vols.

Not sure why anyone would bring up the 89,90,and 91 teams to show what a great coach Majors was. He did a good job of assembling the most talented teams in UT history and absolutely squandered it with horrible coaching in several big games including losses to inferior Alabama teams all three years.

A lot of revisionists on this site because I was around in the early 90s and I don't remember that many people being upset over Majors being forced out. Besides, you can only cuss out your bosses so many times in public before you lose your job.
 
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