Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[evillawyer]

Interesting thread on the introduction of the virus. Contests the theory that it's been percolating in CA since 2019.

 

[NashVol11]

Interesting thread on the introduction of the virus. Contests the theory that it's been percolating in CA since 2019.

Would be funny to see all of the "ya know, I was sick back in December..." people disappear at once

 

[Rickyvol77]

Similarly, not sure Columbus, OH is the “front lines.” Creating an expectation that no healthcare professional anywhere in North America is doing anything but working, and then mocking healthcare professionals during a pandemic because of it, isn’t a great look

Probably 90% of American hospitals are cutting back staff and aren’t even at 60% patient census because it’s not that big a deal outside of 2-3 hot spots

 

[NashVol11]

Probably 90% of American hospitals are cutting back staff and aren’t even at 60% patient census because it’s not that big a deal outside of 2-3 hot spots

I think the implication that we should wait for a city to become a hotspot before we disrupt business as usual is a dangerous one. I'm sure most are advocating for some middle ground selective shutdown, which is great in theory, but like hydroxychloroquine I doubt it's the simple solution people want it to be

 

[happy-go_vol]

Fire Trump! This @sswipe has no idea what he's doing!

Ignorant statement

 

[happy-go_vol]

Probably 90% of American hospitals are cutting back staff and aren’t even at 60% patient census because it’s not that big a deal outside of 2-3 hot spots

Yeah, its a complete lie generated to cause panic. The estimates were so wrong, it caused everyone to freak out.

 

[hog88]

Tofu: It's what for dinner.

One of the largest pork processing facilities in the US is closing until further notice - CNN

This is getting out of hand!

 

[LouderVol]

A month ago you would just now be getting your results back and would they still be good ? I believe they just came out with tests two weeks ago ( I think ) that was 5 mins . A lot of places are still waiting 3 days . I know it sounds crazy but things take time to get moving . Think steam locomotive.

there is a drive up test center at Ga. Tech. One of my coworkers got her results back in 15 minutes, negative. But apparently it can take a lot longer for some. Not sure the reason.

I have it from, what I would consider, a solid source that the drive up testing method has far lower positives than the more targeted testing.

 

[37L1]

Interesting thread on the introduction of the virus. Contests the theory that it's been percolating in CA since 2019.

That's the kind of study I've been waiting for.

Sure would like to see one like that from Wuhan.

 

[Weezy]

I think the implication that we should wait for a city to become a hotspot before we disrupt business as usual is a dangerous one. I'm sure most are advocating for some middle ground selective shutdown, which is great in theory, but like hydroxychloroquine I doubt it's the simple solution people want it to be

Simple? Like shutting down the country? Something that has never been done in our country's history? Something that may cause an economic depresssion? Yes, I would take the middle ground all day.

I still can't believe we did this for something we know so little about. Now we are all surprised that the models weren't as good as they were sold.

 

[lawgator1]

Probably 90% of American hospitals are cutting back staff and aren’t even at 60% patient census because it’s not that big a deal outside of 2-3 hot spots

Link?

 

[LouderVol]

Let's be clear about what President Trump actually did. President Trump did not place an absolute block on people coming to the United States from China. 40,000 Americans and other authorized travelers have still come into the country from China since the first week in February. All Trump did, was block foreign nationals who had been in China in the past 14 days from coming into the United States starting on February 2nd. Also, it's unlikely that the limited "travel ban" from China, has done much to mitigate the crisis where it has had the largest impact - New York City. CDC studies have shown that the NYC coronavirus outbreak originated in Europe and was circulating in NYC in mid-February, weeks before the first confirmed case.

Dr. Anthony Fauci is now saying that the policies which closed schools, canceled sporting events and concerts, as well as the stay-at-home orders could have saved lives if they had been implemented sooner. Here is a quote from Dr. Fauci on CNN:

"I mean, obviously, you could logically say that if you had a process that was ongoing and you started mitigation earlier, you could have saved lives," Dr. Fauci said, on "State of the Union" on CNN.

Dr. Fauci continued with "Obviously, no one is going to deny that. But what goes into those kinds of decisions is complicated. But you're right. Obviously, if we had, right from the very beginning, shut everything down, it may have been a little different. But there was a lot of pushback about shutting things down."

That is why President Trump is now (predictably) lashing out at Dr. Fauci on Twitter, and openly saying that he wants Dr. Fauci fired as the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, a position that Dr. Fauci has held since 1984.

Well yeah we COULD have locked down the whole nation in February. You can always freak out more. The hard part is actually being able to justify your decision based on current knowledge at the time, and figuring out what is actually appropriate.

Are you seriously arguing Trump should have shut the country down in February because of 15 cases and 0 deaths? No one is making that decision. And we can look back at past world pandemics to prove it.

 

[volbeast33]

Link?

I don’t have a link but it’s happening where I live now and in Knoxville..... not sure on the actually percentages but nurses are having hours cut due to getting patients getting sent home quicker to prepare for covid..... it has not come close to what they were estimating the amount of covid patients to be.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Link?

UTMC is at around 58% capacity

 

[West Vol]

I don’t have a link but it’s happening where I live now and in Knoxville..... not sure on the actually percentages but nurses are having hours cut due to getting patients getting sent home quicker to prepare for covid..... it has not come close to what they were estimating the amount of covid patients to be.

Fewer sick people. What a nightmare.

 

[UT_VOLS13]

Link?

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article241819686.html

 

[LouderVol]

This is a weak excuse when we saw Italy shutting their entire country down before NYC even really became a hotspot

They did a targeted lockdown for about a month before they shut down the whole country.

 

[LouderVol]

I get that this is a point about the Times, but hospitals have been using that drug and it’s not doing much of anything. It apparently MAY help if you take it in the very early stages of illness.

What are the other valid options that work better and have been tested for this?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Well yeah we COULD have locked down the whole nation in February. You can always freak out more. The hard part is actually being able to justify your decision based on current knowledge at the time, and figuring out what is actually appropriate.

Are you seriously arguing Trump should have shut the country down in February because of 15 cases and 0 deaths? No one is making that decision. And we can look back at past world pandemics to prove it.

All BB knows is whatever Trump did or didn’t do it was the wrong choice.

 

[volbeast33]

Fewer sick people. What a nightmare.

Shut down the whole economy and even medical professionals are having hours cut

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Would be funny to see all of the "ya know, I was sick back in December..." people disappear at once

I came back from SF area in late December after being around large crowds on a daily basis. Was laid out for two days. Had a lingering cough for a week or two. Got tested for flu and came back negative. Should add that my kids got absolutely nothing, despite being around me.

Totally hope you're right

 

[West Vol]

Shut down the whole economy and even medical professionals are having hours cut

Yes. Because we shut down the whole country.

 

[UT_VOLS13]

Shut down the whole economy and even medical professionals are having hours cut

Elective surgeries have basically been eliminated due to the Coronavirus.

 

[West Vol]

I came back from SF area in late December after being around large crowds on a daily basis. Was laid out for two days. Had a lingering cough for a week or two. Got tested for flu and came back negative. Should add that my kids got absolutely nothing, despite being around me.

I just googled it and evidently flu and COVID-19 are the only two illnesses that cause these symptoms.

 

[LouderVol]

I think the implication that we should wait for a city to become a hotspot before we disrupt business as usual is a dangerous one. I'm sure most are advocating for some middle ground selective shutdown, which is great in theory, but like hydroxychloroquine I doubt it's the simple solution people want it to be

So we should shut down parts of the country anytime someone in China gets sick? And I dont know where you live but Atlanta went something like:all restaurants, bars, entertainment shut down completely, then restaurants were back open for delivery type service, then non essential businesses were shut down. Then they shut down the city government, then finally there was the shelter in place. Seems like they did do a targeted closure. Schools got shut down early on too, but cant remember if they were before or after restaurants.

You really have to establish some criteria here if you want to cast aspersions.