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volinbham said:
also confounded by increase in testing.
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Recoveries wouldn't be affected by testing though, so we should be seeing far fewer active cases.

Looking at my chart, virtually no one has recovered from Covid in Alabama, while over 60% of Tennesseans have recovered.

Wait, that I can actually believe.
 
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Listening to a CPE webinar, they had Democratic and republican congressional tax staff speaking. One of the Democrat staff said a sticking point for them with a tax cut proposal is that a couple making $200k would get a bigger tax cut than the couple making $30k. Yes, I would imagine the person that pays tax will get a bigger cut than the person who pays zero. Maths.
 
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Rifleman said:
I was hoping to track the decline in active cases, but unfortunately many states have huge lags in their reporting.

Some who have cleared active cases quickly might give you a better sense of where we are at (see Louisiana and Minnesota), but since each place seems to have to their own timeline it is hard to tell what the actual active case number is.


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The inconsistencies in reporting from state to state make these types of real time analyses very difficult.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Listening to a CPE webinar, they had Democratic and republican congressional tax staff speaking. One of the Democrat staff said a sticking point for them with a tax cut proposal is that a couple making $200k would get a bigger tax cut than the couple making $30k. Yes, I would imagine the person that pays tax will get a bigger cut than the person who pays zero. Maths.
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*cough* tax PERCENTAGE rates
 
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#57,937
Rifleman said:
Recoveries wouldn't be affected by testing though, so we should be seeing far fewer active cases.

Looking at my chart, virtually no one has recovered from Covid in Alabama, while over 60% of Tennesseans have recovered.

Wait, that I can actually believe.
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More about looking at actives through time. The logic would go: a surge in testing now will drive up actives relative to where it was x weeks ago, when there were perhaps more active cases, but we weren't measuring them.
 
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Rifleman said:
Recoveries wouldn't be affected by testing though, so we should be seeing far fewer active cases.

Looking at my chart, virtually no one has recovered from Covid in Alabama, while over 60% of Tennesseans have recovered.

Wait, that I can actually believe.
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But if testing increases we are capturing milder cases. If they are never admitted to a healthcare facility how would we track if they recovered? IOW, the # of cases number will increase with testing but will not necessarily lead to #s recovered since many of the mild cases simply won't be tracked. Actually, I could see % recovered declining as the case mix includes more and more mild/non-asymptomatic cases.
 
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allvol123 said:
I'd say the story is still to be written and it is why multiple studies are ongoing. Or did they all stop upon seeing this story?
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When the death rate is higher with the treatment then with the virus I’d say that’s a bit of a problem. I’m all about freedom to do whatever the hell you want but don’t peddle a drug that is more dangerous.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
When the death rate is higher with the treatment then with the virus I’d say that’s a bit of a problem. I’m all about freedom to do whatever the hell you want but don’t peddle a drug that is more dangerous.
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You literally dont know. The issues are so complex. The creation and execution of these studies are so difficult especially when you're talking about marginally better numbers, not miracle cures that are obvious.

As someone else said, if this study was just about people that were already in very bad condition then it does not necessarily exclude the idea that this treatment works well if started earlier or even as a prophylactic.
 
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Nearly 15,000 of the 96,000 patients in the analysis were treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine alone or in combination with a type of antibiotics known as a macrolide, such as azithromycin or clarithromycin, within 48 hours of their diagnosis.

For those given hydroxychloroquine, there was a 34 percent increase in risk of mortality and a 137 percent increased risk of a serious heart arrhythmias. For those receiving hydroxychloroquine and an antibiotic — the cocktail endorsed by Trump — there was a 45 percent increased risk of death and a 411 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias.

Those given chloroquine had a 37 percent increased risk of death and a 256 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias. For those taking chloroquine and an antibiotic, there was a 37 percent increased risk of death and a 301 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias.

We’ve been preaching the low chance of death as a reason to not lockdown yet here is a drug that astronomically increases the chance of death.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/22/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-study/
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Nearly 15,000 of the 96,000 patients in the analysis were treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine alone or in combination with a type of antibiotics known as a macrolide, such as azithromycin or clarithromycin, within 48 hours of their diagnosis.

For those given hydroxychloroquine, there was a 34 percent increase in risk of mortality and a 137 percent increased risk of a serious heart arrhythmias. For those receiving hydroxychloroquine and an antibiotic — the cocktail endorsed by Trump — there was a 45 percent increased risk of death and a 411 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias.

Those given chloroquine had a 37 percent increased risk of death and a 256 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias. For those taking chloroquine and an antibiotic, there was a 37 percent increased risk of death and a 301 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias.

We’ve been preaching the low chance of death as a reason to not lockdown yet here is a drug that astronomically increases the chance of death.
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Starting to look like he definitely saddled up with the wrong pony.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Nearly 15,000 of the 96,000 patients in the analysis were treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine alone or in combination with a type of antibiotics known as a macrolide, such as azithromycin or clarithromycin, within 48 hours of their diagnosis.

For those given hydroxychloroquine, there was a 34 percent increase in risk of mortality and a 137 percent increased risk of a serious heart arrhythmias. For those receiving hydroxychloroquine and an antibiotic — the cocktail endorsed by Trump — there was a 45 percent increased risk of death and a 411 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias.

Those given chloroquine had a 37 percent increased risk of death and a 256 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias. For those taking chloroquine and an antibiotic, there was a 37 percent increased risk of death and a 301 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias.

We’ve been preaching the low chance of death as a reason to not lockdown yet here is a drug that astronomically increases the chance of death.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/22/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-study/
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If the study revealed significantly worse outcomes then all other studies would stop. Right?

If not, then others believe it isnt conclusive and worth acting on. Medical community infiltrated by Trumpers.
 
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