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BigOrangeD said:
As a trial, UK is about to give it to 40K Medical Staff as a preventive measure. It will be interesting to get those results.
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U.S. clinical randomized trial with 2,000 patients should be helpful as well.

I certainly think healthy people wouldn't be harmed by having this in their regimen, so some of the negative outcomes are avoidable with physician's guidance, but we just need verification one way or the other so we can move forward.

Hopefully new treatments developed specifically to target Covid are forthcoming as well.
 
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Rifleman said:
U.S. clinical randomized trial with 2,000 patients should be helpful as well.

I certainly think healthy people wouldn't be harmed by having this in their regimen, so some of the negative outcomes are avoidable with physician's guidance, but we just need verification one way or the other so we can move forward.

Hopefully new treatments developed specifically to target Covid are forthcoming as well.
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Agree
 
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DC_Vol said:
Im not sure who told you exactly what you stated, but I’m open to seeing it. The arguments I have seen - and ones I have made - is a cost / benefit approach and a questioning of the rationale behind the shutdown measures.

Im advocating for an approach that errs on the side of liberty. Let business owners open their shops and decide how to handle the restrictions they want to implement.

Let people make their own decisions about what PPE they want to wear, if any.

You’ve come up with a strange argument that my personal decisions are responsible for how strong of am economic recovery we will have. And then engaged in a shaming tactic to win the argument.
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You’re still operating under the assumption that I’m advocating for something. I’m not. I think I’ve explicitly said that, already.

There’s no “argument” to “win.”

You asked why I was making fun of people and I explained it. Several times.
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As for advocating for liberty: I’m in favor of liberty. Sounds great. I don’t disagree.

I’m judging people based on what they do with their liberty. Not advocating that their liberty be taken away. It’s no more anti-freedom than you telling me my “argument“ is dumb would be anti-freedom.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
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There is finally a forthcoming study from NYU which shows the addition of zinc sulfate alongside the typical Hydroxychloroquine/Azithromycin course. It does in fact have some effect. That needs to be the next look. I suspect a lot of the discrepancies are with how complicated clinical interventions actually get, and how doctors under duress are refining interventions quickly as they move forward.

Also, if this only works when you add the zinc sulfate, are there other combinations that would work to activate the same affect better?

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1.full.pdf
 
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Rifleman said:
The actual study is here, if anyone wants to read something beyond partisan tweets. It was a very comprehensive and non-partisan review of all available data.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext
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It doesn't mention the use of zinc which I remember reading delivers the medicine to the virus.

It alao doesn't mention at what point they were given the med besides "when they got to the hospital." Did these people need ventilators because of the advanced infection "when they got to the hospital?"
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
It doesn't mention the use of zinc which I remember reading delivers the medicine to the virus.

It alao doesn't mention at what point they were given the med besides "when they got to the hospital." Did these people need ventilators because of the advanced infection "when they got to the hospital?"
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This pretty much shows it does nothing without the zinc (see my post above yours), but not every intervention is using that. Even with zinc sulfate, you need to get it early it seems and the effects then are discernible but not incredible. Maybe we have an early option once this therapeutic course is confirmed, and a late option with remdesivir.

My guess is we'll be using completely new therapeutics before we get the vaccine. And since many won't take the vaccine, this knowledge will all be useful in the future.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
You’re still operating under the assumption that I’m advocating for something. I’m not. I think I’ve explicitly said that, already.

There’s no “argument” to “win.”

You asked why I was making fun of people and I explained it. Several times.
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As for advocating for liberty: I’m in favor of liberty. Sounds great. I don’t disagree.

I’m judging people based on what they do with their liberty. Not advocating that their liberty be taken away. It’s no more anti-freedom than you telling me my “argument“ is dumb would be anti-freedom.
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The only assumptions I’m operating under is:

1) You make fun of people who want the economy opened and don’t want to wear a mask

2) You think a person’s individual decision is going to have an impact on the recovery

And that is because the first is what you said and the second was strongly implied.

You introduced a position that I never took: economy is more significant than life? caveated with the nebulous “some people”.

I clarified for you my opinion and am still trying to understand why you find it deserving of ridicule.

Maybe you could sum it up in a simple sentence for a simple mind.
 
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DC_Vol said:
You introduced a position that I never took: economy is more significant than life? caveated with the nebulous “some people”.
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You did take the position, you just slapped a label on it and are pretending like that means I can‘t look past that to see the costs and benefits that are being weighed.
 
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LouderVol said:
@TennTradition hopefully I am tagging the right person.

Have you any updated numbers for Georgia?
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Seeing upticks from yesterday's data in both Georgia and Michigan.

The data is much more noisy in Georgia, so I'm not sure what to make of it yet.

In Michigan, it's interesting because the uptick is well-timed to when I would expect one based on mobility patterns. But, there is a lot of uncertainty in that due to the timing between infection and death and also lags in reporting from time to time. So, not reading too much into it yet, but will continue watching.
 
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I was hoping to track the decline in active cases, but unfortunately many states have huge lags in their reporting.

Some who have cleared active cases quickly might give you a better sense of where we are at (see Louisiana and Minnesota), but since each place seems to have to their own timeline it is hard to tell what the actual active case number is.


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Rifleman said:
I was hoping to track the decline in active cases, but unfortunately many states have huge lags in their reporting.

Some who have cleared active cases quickly might give you a better sense of where we are at (see Louisiana and Minnesota), but since each place seems to have to their own timeline it is hard to tell what the actual active case number is.


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also confounded by increase in testing.
 
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