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Matt2496 said:
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RockyTop85 said:
You know, I had actually typed a whole paragraph explaining how I had initially thought reopening the economy was the wrong decision but had come around to being wrong on that. Essentially, my revised thought is that the most effective way forward was to have social distancing at levels that keep hospitals near capacity. We generally weren’t close to capacity, meaning we overcorrected. There is a lot of nuance to unpack on that but the bottom line is that I fall into the group whose cost/benefit analysis was that some people will die, but by keeping hospitals at capacity it would prevent avoidable deaths from hospital overload. Not an especially easy to implement plan, but the bottom line was increased human contact.
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Sounds kind of like how I view things now. I compare it to forest firefighting--your objective is to keep the fire contained within the fire lines.

My question is, say there's a spike of hospitalizations in an area. Is the government going to be able to successfully reimpose restrictions to quash it?
 
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Velo Vol said:
The governor? He can't control everything, but obviously his state was one of the worst hit. Some of his decisions, for nursing homes in particular, turned out badly.
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Yeah, I don't blame him for his numbers, close quarters in NYC and the spread was going to happen regardless. However the death toll in nursing homes falls on him.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
So I will back to what I said a few days ago:
Envision a Vinn Diagram.
Circle A: People who want the economy to bounce back at the expense of safety measures (human life).
Circle B: People who don’t want to wear masks.

Independently, each circle is just composed of people who made a prudential judgment. I don’t have a problem with either of them.

The issue I have is with the shared space.

Is that helpful?
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It didn’t really provide any new information. I understood your circles just fine and even explicitly stated I fall into both of those.

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You haven’t explained why it’s worthy of ridicule that I fall into that overlap and believe each individual should be responsible for the protective measures they take individually. I also very clearly made that point in one of my responses to you.

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The money question is what is unreasonable about that?
 
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Velo Vol said:
Sounds kind of like how I view things now. I compare it to forest firefighting--your objective is to keep the fire contained within the fire lines.

My question is, say there's a spike of hospitalizations in an area. Is the government going to be able to successfully reimpose restrictions to quash it?
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A partial answer is that even with the worst spike in the country with no precautions (NYC area) we did not overburden the HC system beyond available resources. We have considerably more resources now so it's hard to imagine a spike gets to this point unless it is in an area where HC resources are severely limited.

For me the bigger question is how people react to inevitable spikes regardless of impact on HC system. Some will demand shutting everything down again.
 
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volinbham said:
A partial answer is that even with the worst spike in the country with no precautions (NYC area) we did not overburden the HC system beyond available resources. We have considerably more resources now so it's hard to imagine a spike gets to this point unless it is in an area where HC resources are severely limited.

For me the bigger question is how people react to inevitable spikes regardless of impact on HC system. Some will demand shutting everything down again.
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I hope huge amounts of people will take to the streets and raise holy hell if the State Governments try to shut things down again in that scenario:mad:
 
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volinbham said:
A partial answer is that even with the worst spike in the country with no precautions (NYC area) we did not overburden the HC system beyond available resources. We have considerably more resources now so it's hard to imagine a spike gets to this point unless it is in an area where HC resources are severely limited.
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There's more ventilators and PPE out there, but are there more hospital beds and staff when and where the need may arise?
 
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DC_Vol said:
It didn’t really provide any new information. I understood your circles just fine and even explicitly stated I fall into both of those.

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You haven’t explained why it’s worthy of ridicule that I fall into that overlap and believe each individual should be responsible for the protective measures they take individually. I also very clearly made that point in one of my responses to you.

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The money question is what is unreasonable about that?
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I’ll try it one more time:
By saying the economy is the priority, you/we are asking people to surrender some sense of safety and security to get what you/we want.

By refusing to wear a mask you’re refusing to endure even a miniscule personal inconvenience to restore any of that sense of security.

It says something about your priorities that distills down to selfishness or egocentrism and lack of empathy for the situations or (real or perceived) safety of other people.
 
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Velo Vol said:
There's more ventilators and PPE out there, but are there more hospital beds and staff when and where the need may arise?
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I don't know about staff. There have been numerous layoffs because the hospitals are empty due to COVID.

We way, way over prepared so we should have the capacity theoretically if the need arose. I can link several articles talking about numerous empty unused beds in various parts of the country.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I’ll try it one more time:
By saying the economy is the priority, you/we are asking people to surrender some sense of safety and security to get what you/we want.

By refusing to wear a mask you’re refusing to endure even a miniscule personal inconvenience to restore any of that sense of security.

It says something about your priorities that distills down to selfishness or egocentrism and lack of empathy for the situations or (real or perceived) safety of other people.
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Or maybe logical reason and pointing out the emperor is wearing no clothes is more important than “sense of security”
 
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Matt2496 said:
I don't know about staff. There have been numerous layoffs because the hospitals are empty due to COVID.

We way, way over prepared so we should have the capacity theoretically if the need arose. I can link several articles talking about numerous empty unused beds in various parts of the country.
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Area hospitals in Knoxville are already back up to full capacity since they opened up regular surgeries and CoVid pts are rare
 
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