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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Nearly 15,000 of the 96,000 patients in the analysis were treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine alone or in combination with a type of antibiotics known as a macrolide, such as azithromycin or clarithromycin, within 48 hours of their diagnosis.

For those given hydroxychloroquine, there was a 34 percent increase in risk of mortality and a 137 percent increased risk of a serious heart arrhythmias. For those receiving hydroxychloroquine and an antibiotic — the cocktail endorsed by Trump — there was a 45 percent increased risk of death and a 411 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias.

Those given chloroquine had a 37 percent increased risk of death and a 256 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias. For those taking chloroquine and an antibiotic, there was a 37 percent increased risk of death and a 301 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias.

We’ve been preaching the low chance of death as a reason to not lockdown yet here is a drug that astronomically increases the chance of death.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/22/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-study/
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Does this even make sense? If I understand your post, taking HQ multiplied the number of deaths some where from 33 to 50%, yet I don’t recall any family members being on TV railing on the care of a. Loved one that has passed, yet we have a Democrat’s in MI who lost her political career for giving it credit. I could understand numbers that question any positive impact, but to be killing 0.5% of anyone who takes it that has Covid seems odd
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Nearly 15,000 of the 96,000 patients in the analysis were treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine alone or in combination with a type of antibiotics known as a macrolide, such as azithromycin or clarithromycin, within 48 hours of their diagnosis.

For those given hydroxychloroquine, there was a 34 percent increase in risk of mortality and a 137 percent increased risk of a serious heart arrhythmias. For those receiving hydroxychloroquine and an antibiotic — the cocktail endorsed by Trump — there was a 45 percent increased risk of death and a 411 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias.

Those given chloroquine had a 37 percent increased risk of death and a 256 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias. For those taking chloroquine and an antibiotic, there was a 37 percent increased risk of death and a 301 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias.

We’ve been preaching the low chance of death as a reason to not lockdown yet here is a drug that astronomically increases the chance of death.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/22/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-study/
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Does this even make sense? If I understand your post, taking HQ multiplied the number of deaths some where from 33 to 50%, yet I don’t recall any family members being on TV railing on the care of a. Loved one that has passed, yet we have a Democrat’s in MI who lost her political career for giving it credit. I could understand numbers that question any positive impact, but to be killing 0.5% of anyone who takes it that has Covid seems odd
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I’ll try it one more time:
By saying the economy is the priority, you/we are asking people to surrender some sense of safety and security to get what you/we want.

By refusing to wear a mask you’re refusing to endure even a miniscule personal inconvenience to restore any of that sense of security.

It says something about your priorities that distills down to selfishness or egocentrism and lack of empathy for the situations or (real or perceived) safety of other people.
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But my reasoning is that freedom is the priority. It’s not about economy over lives. It’s a false dichotomy. Let people choose how they want to operate their businesses and consumers choose how they want to deal with the risks.

FYI: I understand your reason for mocking. It took a lot of words to get to it, but we got there. I suspect this is a tactic you use to bill more hours 😉
 
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Matt2496 said:
I don't know about staff. There have been numerous layoffs because the hospitals are empty due to COVID.

We way, way over prepared so we should have the capacity theoretically if the need arose. I can link several articles talking about numerous empty unused beds in various parts of the country.
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Erring on the side of caution is understandable when it first hit. Live and learn.
 
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Velo Vol said:
There's more ventilators and PPE out there, but are there more hospital beds and staff when and where the need may arise?
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My point is that even in the worst of the worst we had enough beds. Hard to imagine a new spike will be worse than what we experienced.

That said, we also showed the ability to ramp beds very quickly with the vast majority of that ramp being completely unused (relates to above comment)
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Yeah, I don't blame him for his numbers, close quarters in NYC and the spread was going to happen regardless. However the death toll in nursing homes falls on him.
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I would amend that a bit. Where his policy to return recovering patients led to further spread and death, it’s on him. They wouldn’t have done it had they not felt they needed the beds but man those nursing homes were rough. I can also understand the idea that if a patient is recovering and no longer PCR+ that the risk is lower, but there’s a lot we don’t know. I’d like to see the complete data on the nursing home patient deaths in NY. I analyzed it some time back and found NY to have the lowest risk of nursing home death in the northeast. However, it turns out patients who died in hospitals weren’t included. So are they about the same as other states or higher? NY in general had a higher rate of infections so base probability that it would get into the nursing homes through staff was already very high. Will be important to analyze and understand this with better alternatives in place when hospitals are slammed in case their is a resurgence this fall.
 
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Tonight was our first family dining out experience since March 13. I think Knox county restaurants are at 50% allowed capacity. We had to wait about 15 minutes to be seated.

My main thought was this blanket nationwide plan from mid March caused so much economic pain in so many places it wasnt needed, most towns and cities outside of the northeast. So my concern now is if there ends up being an actual time when a place like Knoxville would need to shutdown, the restaurants and such cant withstand a second wave. The medicine for them was used up in a time when it looks like it wasnt needed. Dont think they can stomach a second dose.
 
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allvol123 said:
Tonight was our first family dining out experience since March 13. I think Knox county restaurants are at 50% allowed capacity. We had to wait about 15 minutes to be seated.

My main thought was this blanket nationwide plan from mid March caused so much economic pain in so many places it wasnt needed, most towns and cities outside of the northeast. So my concern now is if there ends up being an actual time when a place like Knoxville would need to shutdown, the restaurants and such cant withstand a second wave. The medicine for them was used up in a time when it looks like it wasnt needed. Dont think they can stomach a second dose.
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How selfish of you.
 
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