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Volsfaninva917 said:
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The U.S. failed the test.

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titansvolsfaninga said:
you show'em Justin....I don't think you've been to an ICU and taken a deep breath of Freedom yet. Go and show those healthcare workers what real freedom looks like.
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There is middle ground between mask at all times and death from covid. Your false choice posts like this are no better than his
 
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DynaLo said:
Things that make you go hmmmmm🤔

The President of Tanzania has a video talking about the fact that they sent swabs from PawPaw fruit and goats, among other things, that came back as positive for Covid-19. 🤷‍♀️

Aren’t there some reports stating that positive antibody tests are being reported as positive Covid-19 tests?

From the CDC on antibody testing.
“If you test positive
  • A positive test result shows you might have antibodies from an infection with the virus that causes COVID-19. However, there is a chance a positive result means that you have antibodies from an infection with a virus from the same family of viruses (called coronaviruses), such as the one that causes the common cold.”
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
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Regardless of whether you test positive or negative, the results do not confirm whether or not you are able to spread the virus that causes COVID-19. Until we know more, continue to take steps to protect yourself and others.
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Typical government response. Lots of words but they're really not saying anything. I've found that to be the case whenever Dr Fauci speaks too.

My question is "OK, then what's the point?"

In regards to the antibody test, if it doesn't necessarily only detect C-19 antibodies then why is it even out there?

Here's my suggestion: If you hear it from gov't, take it with a huge grain of salt. In the end, use your own judgment.
 
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Septic said:
The U.S. failed the test.

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I am one who thinks the count of positives is not important. However, what I find interesting about this graph is it shows counts from March 1 to June 24. Even during the most restrictive portion of our response, the line never dipped below 20k. Since this is a 7 day rolling, it means harsh restrictions accounts for about 1500 per day better than where we are on june 24.

Is it worth it (as long as hospitals are not overwhelmed and fatalities are stable / continue to fall)?
 
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Septic said:
It would appear is if one follows the other, wasn't it you who was talking about the 'big picture' the other day?
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Not sure this is true when the vast majority of new cases are younger people.

The press and fear peddlers should really be brave enough to track and report current active cases and hospitalization rates. That is the true measure of the problem. They won’t though, because then this becomes a nothing burger.

Sheer number of positive cases is a damn near worthless metric to be used for anything other than peddling fear to the masses.
 
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Septic said:
It would appear is if one follows the other, wasn't it you who was talking about the 'big picture' the other day?
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They are doing fewer tests than us. As far as a raw number. I posted about this a while back.

So if you take them doing fewer tests on more people you are going to see......lower positives! Funny how that works.
 
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LouderVol said:
They are doing fewer tests than us. As far as a raw number. I posted about this a while back.

So if you take them doing fewer tests on more people you are going to see......lower positives! Funny how that works.
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From the page where the graphic was plucked, do you info showing otherwise?

The United States and the European Union have comparable population sizes, but the trajectories of their COVID-19 outbreaks have been vastly different. New data released by the European Center for Disease Control and Prevention shows that while there are around 4,000 new COVID cases in the EU each day, the United States is now recording more than 30,000 new cases of the virus each day – eight times higher than Europe. At least 23 US states have reported significant upticks in new daily COVID-19 cases in recent days, raising fears of an approaching "second wave" of infection. And while some politicians in the US have ascribed the difference to discrepancies in testing, a close analysis shows that the United States and the EU are conducting roughly the same number of tests per million people. Here's a look at the seven-day rolling average of new COVID cases in the EU and the US since March.


The Graphic Truth: Two different pandemics - EU vs US
 
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Septic said:
It would appear is if one follows the other, wasn't it you who was talking about the 'big picture' the other day?
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I want them to tell me exactly how many are hospitalized for covid..... I don’t care about positive cases bc I have seen the same person test positive for months with this illness and never be sick..... I also don’t want hospitalizations to be called a covid hospitalization if they are they for a heart issue and happen to test positive but show no symptoms.
 
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Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey put new lockdown orders in place Monday evening in an attempt to deal with the state’s surge in coronavirus cases. Arizona reported a record 3,800 Covid-19 cases on Sunday, and Ducey said “our expectation is that our numbers next week will be worse.” The new order requires bars, gyms, movie theaters and water parks to shutter for at least a month. Arizona reopened in mid-May, one of the earliest states that had instituted a stay-at-home order to do so.

TN heading in this general direction, folks.

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McDad said:
I am one who thinks the count of positives is not important. However, what I find interesting about this graph is it shows counts from March 1 to June 24. Even during the most restrictive portion of our response, the line never dipped below 20k. Since this is a 7 day rolling, it means harsh restrictions accounts for about 1500 per day better than where we are on june 24.

Is it worth it (as long as hospitals are not overwhelmed and fatalities are stable / continue to fall)?
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Europe for the most part stayed locked down longer than we did. For example in the UK, they just opened stores and dentist offices a couple weeks ago:

Our ongoing list of how countries are reopening, and which ones remain under lockdown

Time will tell if they see a bump. I'd be very surprised if they didn't. In fact I'd say it's to be expected. That's how this thing works. I shouldn't have to spell this out but here it is:

The purpose of shutting down was to "flatten the curve". You remember that term? It means that we didn't want hospitals overwhelmed. The purpose of reopening is to not kill the economy. It was expected that cases would rise if we're no longer quarantined. The idea now is to protect the most vulnerable and develop some herd immunity. In that sense perhaps it's good that we have increased positive tests, particularly if it's in the younger, healthy crowd.

European Union is closing in on 200K deaths due to C-19. That's nothing to brag about
 
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rjd970 said:
Not sure this is true when the vast majority of new cases are younger people.

The press and fear peddlers should really be brave enough to track and report current active cases and hospitalization rates. That is the true measure of the problem. They won’t though, because then this becomes a nothing burger.

Sheer number of positive cases is a damn near worthless metric to be used for anything other than peddling fear to the masses.
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The younger people also live in close proximity to older people here in Florida. Almost every day last week, the positive cases have set records - and as I pointed out, the tendency is that the more severe cases will continue to rise taking up valuable resources.

https://www.newsweek.com/multiple-florida-hospitals-run-out-icu-beds-coronavirus-cases-spike-1511934
 
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