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HOW CAN A DISEASE WITH 1% MORTALITY RATE SHUT DOWN THE UNITED STATES?
There are two problems with this question.
It neglects the law of large numbers; and It assumes that one of two things happen: you die or you’re 100% fine.
The US has a population of 328,200,000. If one percent of the population dies, that’s 3,282,000 people dead.
Three million people dead would monkey wrench the economy no matter what. That more than doubles the number of annual deaths all at once.
The second bit is people keep talking about deaths. Deaths, deaths, deaths. Only one percent die! Just one percent! One is a small number! No big deal, right?
What about the people who survive?
For every one person who dies:
- 19 more require hospitalization.
- 18 of those will have permanent heart damage for the rest of their lives.
- 10 will have permanent lung damage.
- 3 will have strokes.
- 2 will have neurological damage that leads to chronic weakness and loss of coordination.
- 2 will have neurological damage that leads to loss of cognitive function.
So now all of a sudden, that “but it’s only 1% fatal!” becomes:
- 3,282,000 people dead.
- 62,358,000 hospitalized.
- 59,076,000 people with permanent heart damage.
- 32,820,000 people with permanent lung damage.
- 9,846,000 people with strokes.
- 6,564,000 people with muscle weakness.
- 6,564,000 people with loss of cognitive function.
That's the thing that the folks who keep going on about “only 1% dead, what’s the big deal?” don’t get.
The choice is not “ruin the economy to save 1%.” If we reopen the economy, it will be destroyed anyway. The US economy cannot survive everyone getting COVID-19.
Edit: This is blanket permission to c/p.
 
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"I know it isn't popular to talk about in some Republican circles, but we still have a testing problem in this country. This is simply inexcusable at this point in the pandemic." - Former White House Chief of Staff, Mick Mulvaney, in an op-ed for CNBC.

* Mulvaney, who served in Congress before leading the White House budget office and becoming chief of staff, said that his son had recently been tested for the virus and had to wait up to a week for the results, and that his daughter was turned away from getting a test before she went to visit her grandparents.

.... another loony liberal, making up lies to hurt Trump's chances of being re-elected.
 
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VolFaninFla said:
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HOW CAN A DISEASE WITH 1% MORTALITY RATE SHUT DOWN THE UNITED STATES?
There are two problems with this question.
It neglects the law of large numbers; and It assumes that one of two things happen: you die or you’re 100% fine.
The US has a population of 328,200,000. If one percent of the population dies, that’s 3,282,000 people dead.
Three million people dead would monkey wrench the economy no matter what. That more than doubles the number of annual deaths all at once.
The second bit is people keep talking about deaths. Deaths, deaths, deaths. Only one percent die! Just one percent! One is a small number! No big deal, right?
What about the people who survive?
For every one person who dies:
- 19 more require hospitalization.
- 18 of those will have permanent heart damage for the rest of their lives.
- 10 will have permanent lung damage.
- 3 will have strokes.
- 2 will have neurological damage that leads to chronic weakness and loss of coordination.
- 2 will have neurological damage that leads to loss of cognitive function.
So now all of a sudden, that “but it’s only 1% fatal!” becomes:
- 3,282,000 people dead.
- 62,358,000 hospitalized.
- 59,076,000 people with permanent heart damage.
- 32,820,000 people with permanent lung damage.
- 9,846,000 people with strokes.
- 6,564,000 people with muscle weakness.
- 6,564,000 people with loss of cognitive function.
That's the thing that the folks who keep going on about “only 1% dead, what’s the big deal?” don’t get.
The choice is not “ruin the economy to save 1%.” If we reopen the economy, it will be destroyed anyway. The US economy cannot survive everyone getting COVID-19.
Edit: This is blanket permission to c/p.
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Where did you copy this from? The death rate, at least for now, is way less than 1 % of the population. But where did the 19 x death And 18 x deaths come from?
 
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VolFaninFla said:
Copied:
HOW CAN A DISEASE WITH 1% MORTALITY RATE SHUT DOWN THE UNITED STATES?
There are two problems with this question.
It neglects the law of large numbers; and It assumes that one of two things happen: you die or you’re 100% fine.
The US has a population of 328,200,000. If one percent of the population dies, that’s 3,282,000 people dead.
Three million people dead would monkey wrench the economy no matter what. That more than doubles the number of annual deaths all at once.
The second bit is people keep talking about deaths. Deaths, deaths, deaths. Only one percent die! Just one percent! One is a small number! No big deal, right?
What about the people who survive?
For every one person who dies:
- 19 more require hospitalization.
- 18 of those will have permanent heart damage for the rest of their lives.
- 10 will have permanent lung damage.
- 3 will have strokes.
- 2 will have neurological damage that leads to chronic weakness and loss of coordination.
- 2 will have neurological damage that leads to loss of cognitive function.
So now all of a sudden, that “but it’s only 1% fatal!” becomes:
- 3,282,000 people dead.
- 62,358,000 hospitalized.
- 59,076,000 people with permanent heart damage.
- 32,820,000 people with permanent lung damage.
- 9,846,000 people with strokes.
- 6,564,000 people with muscle weakness.
- 6,564,000 people with loss of cognitive function.
That's the thing that the folks who keep going on about “only 1% dead, what’s the big deal?” don’t get.
The choice is not “ruin the economy to save 1%.” If we reopen the economy, it will be destroyed anyway. The US economy cannot survive everyone getting COVID-19.
Edit: This is blanket permission to c/p.
Click to expand...
This, honestly, may take the cake as the most blatantly nonsensical post I've seen on the matter.
 
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VolFaninFla said:
Copied:
HOW CAN A DISEASE WITH 1% MORTALITY RATE SHUT DOWN THE UNITED STATES?
There are two problems with this question.
It neglects the law of large numbers; and It assumes that one of two things happen: you die or you’re 100% fine.
The US has a population of 328,200,000. If one percent of the population dies, that’s 3,282,000 people dead.
Three million people dead would monkey wrench the economy no matter what. That more than doubles the number of annual deaths all at once.
The second bit is people keep talking about deaths. Deaths, deaths, deaths. Only one percent die! Just one percent! One is a small number! No big deal, right?
What about the people who survive?
For every one person who dies:
- 19 more require hospitalization.
- 18 of those will have permanent heart damage for the rest of their lives.
- 10 will have permanent lung damage.
- 3 will have strokes.
- 2 will have neurological damage that leads to chronic weakness and loss of coordination.
- 2 will have neurological damage that leads to loss of cognitive function.
So now all of a sudden, that “but it’s only 1% fatal!” becomes:
- 3,282,000 people dead.
- 62,358,000 hospitalized.
- 59,076,000 people with permanent heart damage.
- 32,820,000 people with permanent lung damage.
- 9,846,000 people with strokes.
- 6,564,000 people with muscle weakness.
- 6,564,000 people with loss of cognitive function.
That's the thing that the folks who keep going on about “only 1% dead, what’s the big deal?” don’t get.
The choice is not “ruin the economy to save 1%.” If we reopen the economy, it will be destroyed anyway. The US economy cannot survive everyone getting COVID-19.
Edit: This is blanket permission to c/p.
Click to expand...

Doesnt have a 1% fatality rate. But who cares about honesty.
 
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VolFaninFla said:
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HOW CAN A DISEASE WITH 1% MORTALITY RATE SHUT DOWN THE UNITED STATES?
There are two problems with this question.
It neglects the law of large numbers; and It assumes that one of two things happen: you die or you’re 100% fine.
The US has a population of 328,200,000. If one percent of the population dies, that’s 3,282,000 people dead.
Three million people dead would monkey wrench the economy no matter what. That more than doubles the number of annual deaths all at once.
The second bit is people keep talking about deaths. Deaths, deaths, deaths. Only one percent die! Just one percent! One is a small number! No big deal, right?
What about the people who survive?
For every one person who dies:
- 19 more require hospitalization.
- 18 of those will have permanent heart damage for the rest of their lives.
- 10 will have permanent lung damage.
- 3 will have strokes.
- 2 will have neurological damage that leads to chronic weakness and loss of coordination.
- 2 will have neurological damage that leads to loss of cognitive function.
So now all of a sudden, that “but it’s only 1% fatal!” becomes:
- 3,282,000 people dead.
- 62,358,000 hospitalized.
- 59,076,000 people with permanent heart damage.
- 32,820,000 people with permanent lung damage.
- 9,846,000 people with strokes.
- 6,564,000 people with muscle weakness.
- 6,564,000 people with loss of cognitive function.
That's the thing that the folks who keep going on about “only 1% dead, what’s the big deal?” don’t get.
The choice is not “ruin the economy to save 1%.” If we reopen the economy, it will be destroyed anyway. The US economy cannot survive everyone getting COVID-19.
Edit: This is blanket permission to c/p.
Click to expand...


Mortlaity rate is deaths/population, not case fatality rate which is deaths over cases. Mortality rate would be 0.04% and the case fatality rate is actually 4%. And even that number would be reduced to 0.4% factoring in the CDC/NIH position that the actual number of people who have had it is 10 times greater than those who tested positive.
 
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VolFaninFla said:
Copied:
HOW CAN A DISEASE WITH 1% MORTALITY RATE SHUT DOWN THE UNITED STATES?
There are two problems with this question.
It neglects the law of large numbers; and It assumes that one of two things happen: you die or you’re 100% fine.
The US has a population of 328,200,000. If one percent of the population dies, that’s 3,282,000 people dead.
Three million people dead would monkey wrench the economy no matter what. That more than doubles the number of annual deaths all at once.
The second bit is people keep talking about deaths. Deaths, deaths, deaths. Only one percent die! Just one percent! One is a small number! No big deal, right?
What about the people who survive?
For every one person who dies:
- 19 more require hospitalization.
- 18 of those will have permanent heart damage for the rest of their lives.
- 10 will have permanent lung damage.
- 3 will have strokes.
- 2 will have neurological damage that leads to chronic weakness and loss of coordination.
- 2 will have neurological damage that leads to loss of cognitive function.
So now all of a sudden, that “but it’s only 1% fatal!” becomes:
- 3,282,000 people dead.
- 62,358,000 hospitalized.
- 59,076,000 people with permanent heart damage.
- 32,820,000 people with permanent lung damage.
- 9,846,000 people with strokes.
- 6,564,000 people with muscle weakness.
- 6,564,000 people with loss of cognitive function.
That's the thing that the folks who keep going on about “only 1% dead, what’s the big deal?” don’t get.
The choice is not “ruin the economy to save 1%.” If we reopen the economy, it will be destroyed anyway. The US economy cannot survive everyone getting COVID-19.
Edit: This is blanket permission to c/p.
Click to expand...

Where did you get those figures from?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
"I know it isn't popular to talk about in some Republican circles, but we still have a testing problem in this country. This is simply inexcusable at this point in the pandemic." - Former White House Chief of Staff, Mick Mulvaney, in an op-ed for CNBC.

* Mulvaney, who served in Congress before leading the White House budget office and becoming chief of staff, said that his son had recently been tested for the virus and had to wait up to a week for the results, and that his daughter was turned away from getting a test before she went to visit her grandparents.

.... another loony liberal, making up lies to hurt Trump's chances of being re-elected.
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It is BY FAR, the biggest failure in this entire situation. A competent Pessident would have ordered all resources necessary to make testing easy, available, and reasonably fast. I had to wait a week to get results earlier this month. Common for it to take that long. And people are discouraged from going with tales of 4 and 5 hour waits.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It is BY FAR, the biggest failure in this entire situation. A competent Pessident would have ordered all resources necessary to make testing easy, available, and reasonably fast. I had to wait a week to get results earlier this month. Common for it to take that long. And people are discouraged from going with tales of 4 and 5 hour waits.
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I agree and disagree. I agree that it at times and in places has been very challenging to get tested and takes too long. It still isn’t to the point of “if you want a test, you can get a test.” However, I do think that part of the issue is that the reasons for testing have gotten very broad. Mulvaney was upset about his daughter not getting a test to visit grandparents. People are being tested for every elective surgery in NY now. I was able to get a test three times just because I wanted to travel to Maine. Each of those three times, I was literally the only person at the testing site and got the results the next day.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It is BY FAR, the biggest failure in this entire situation. A competent Pessident would have ordered all resources necessary to make testing easy, available, and reasonably fast. I had to wait a week to get results earlier this month. Common for it to take that long. And people are discouraged from going with tales of 4 and 5 hour waits.
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That’s bc we shouldn’t be testing every single person in America.... I get tested weekly and it takes 24-48 hours to get results.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It is BY FAR, the biggest failure in this entire situation. A competent Pessident would have ordered all resources necessary to make testing easy, available, and reasonably fast. I had to wait a week to get results earlier this month. Common for it to take that long. And people are discouraged from going with tales of 4 and 5 hour waits.
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Why is it athletes get tested and have results back almost immediately but the average Joe has to wait
 
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