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USAFgolferVol said:
Nothing has been a thousand times worse than Trump. I'm thinking you've been pretty less than attentive to our President's behavior to make such a wildly wrong statement, but I do agree about Pelosi and some of the Democrats. There are a few good ones on both sides of the aisle. Just a few though
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Trump certainly doesn’t act presidential at times and his combative behavior can be both admired or cringeworthy at times. Nothing comes close to what the Democrats and Far Left media has done since 2016. It’s getting worse every day this year.
 
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508mikey said:
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Do you have that in a 7 1/2?
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Trump certainly doesn’t act presidential at times and his combative behavior can be both admired or cringeworthy at times. Nothing comes close to what the Democrats and Far Left media has done since 2016. It’s getting worse every day this year.
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The guy has doubled down on appeasing his base at every opportunity and is willing to ignore science and push misinformation (and drugs that don't work) during a pandemic just so he doesn't have to admit he's wrong, and all you got is "he doesn't act presidential at times" lol
 
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NashVol11 said:
The guy has doubled down on appeasing his base at every opportunity and is willing to ignore science and push misinformation (and drugs that don't work) during a pandemic just so he doesn't have to admit he's wrong, and all you got is "he doesn't act presidential at times" lol
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If you're taking medical advice from the POTUS, that is a you problem. Not a POTUS problem.

At almost 50 years old, I really cant recall what personal decisions I've made because of advice from any POTUS.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Whiffing on the point big time there. On purpose I'm sure.

If they added this as a Covid death, who is being added as a Covid death that didn't get a news story written about them?
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Their investigation found one case. One case where someone put down a death as covid 19 because of a positive test result instead of looking at the COD on which I'm guessing was probably "blunt force trauma" or something similar.

One case that was corrected after it was called out, but somehow that is to be extrapolated the the hundreds of other health departments are actively falsifying death certificates to inflate covid 19 deaths?

That's really where you think this incident leads?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Would you care to point out where else in the entire world has seen a 30-50% infection rate? Even moreso, in young, healthy adults?
In addition, of all the positive tests/cases we keep hearing about, have there been athletes who have died and ESPN just failed to report the stories?

Quite the contrary, multiple studies are now finding that many areas appear to be reaching or nearing herd immunity at only a c. 20% infection rate, likely explained by prior immunity due to an unknown factor(s) in maybe 50-60%.

If this holds true, we might eventually discover or accept that our approach to this virus was exactly the opposite of what it should have been. If attainable, we need to get to the herd immunity threshold by winter/respiratory season, or our delay due to lockdown will end up actually COSTING many more lives.
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Well, it's not my projections. I simply quoted it. I didn't say I thought it was accurate or hogwash. If you have a statistical model you've put together I'll be happy to quote that too

As far as quoting an infection rate that high my best guess would be the ga summer camp that had about a 42% infection rate with 260 positive tests
 
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allvol123 said:
If you're taking medical advice from the POTUS, that is a you problem. Not a POTUS problem.

At almost 50 years old, I really cant recall what personal decisions I've made because of advice from any POTUS.
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This is a bad take. Obviously the President isn't a doctor, but we can't have our administration pushing misinformation, given that hundreds of millions of people are dumb enough to listen or to start championing doctors who believe that demon sex in dreams is causing health problems. We've seen that already.

Beyond that, there's a natural assumption that the advice coming from the President on how to remain safe during a pandemic, war, etc. is being relayed by said President based on information given to him by our leading health/military officials. Trump just says they're lying unless they agree with him, then throws out whatever conspiracy theory paints him in the most flattering light.
 
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[8pp or nearing herd immunity at only a c. 20% infection rate, likely explained by prior immunity due to an unknown factor(s) in maybe 50-60%.

If this holds true, we might eventually discover or accept that our approach to this virus was exactly the opposite of what it should have been. If attainable, we need to get to the herd immunity threshold by winter/respiratory season, or our delay due to lockdown will end up actually COSTING many more lives.[/QUOTE]

What the Doc says here CANNOT POSSIBLY BE OVERSTATED. Listen guys...Sweden and other places never did shut down society...or close schools...or panic. They did not destroy their economies either...and now Sweden for example has had 3 days in a row with ZERO deaths from Covid and has empty hospitals ..their herd immunity has beaten this stupid virus without ever having a vaccine. Trump listened to all the experts around him and has continued to lean on their experience...and among all the many countries that responded the way that we did...with closings etc ...we have I believe the FOURTH FEWEST deaths per million. He has done the best job that could ever be expected in responding the way MOST EXPERTS said that we HAD TO in order to avoid millions of deaths here...

It looks like the vast majority of the world got this wrong though. Even us..with the best medical facilities on Earth...failed in comparison to the very few countries that were willing to think "outside the box" and really just practice social distancing and KEEP the elderly and otherwise vulnerable quarantined at home or wherever they could.

Hindsight is always 2020. We didnt choose to take the road less traveled...and it appears we were wrong . Let this be a lesson to all you damn Chicken Littles that screamed "-the sky is falling " and demanded we close down this entire country and still want to keep it that way...panic has never made anyone successful. Next time something like this happens....we better pause and remember the lessons from this debacle.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Their investigation found one case. One case where someone put down a death as covid 19 because of a positive test result instead of looking at the COD on which I'm guessing was probably "blunt force trauma" or something similar.

One case that was corrected after it was called out, but somehow that is to be extrapolated the the hundreds of other health departments are actively falsifying death certificates to inflate covid 19 deaths?

That's really where you think this incident leads?
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Not actively. But if they would mark down a crash victim as a Covid death, they would potentially mark down a lot of deaths as Covid that aren't. There is going to be error when the coroners aren't the ones collecting this data. That's just common sense.

As far as the idea that you only hear secondary accounts, you're right. If I find anyone who had their death incorrectly marked as Covid, I'll tell them to post to this thread directly so you can verify 😂.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
You keep saying that. Care to give us the arithmetic breakdown on that?

0 people would have died if Trump had _____.

? Maybe even with a modicum of evidence if that isn't too much to ask?

Trump didn't take masks 100% serious and complained about Fauci while following all of his recommendations. That sums to... Let me check the numbers here... About zero deaths.

Putting infected old people back in to nursing homes has been the single deadliest decision by any politician since this started. Can't blame that on Trump, but I'm sure you will attempt it.
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There have been various models that predict mortality based on mask compliance and reduction in travel and the degree to which social distancing is implemented. Do some research yourself. South Korea and the US had their first cases on the same day, what does the COVID situation look like in that country? When you find out, tell me the lack of a cohesive national plan doesn’t affect mortality totals. Trump has had literally no plan other than to hope “one day it will magically disappear”. The number of deaths that could have been avoided is unknown, but most infectious disease and public health officials would say it is quite sizable.
So I disagree on your assertion that Coumo’s decision led to more deaths than the “stable genius’s” lack of any semblance of a plan. But, maybe I could be persuaded if you show me a report that NY governor’s nursing home decision led to X number of deaths. Otherwise your just parroting a bunch of FOXNEWS whataboutism.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Not actively. But if they would mark down a crash victim as a Covid death, they would potentially mark down a lot of deaths as Covid that aren't. There is going to be error when the coroners aren't the ones collecting this data. That's just common sense.

As far as the idea that you only hear secondary accounts, you're right. If I find anyone who had their death incorrectly marked as Covid, I'll tell them to post to this thread directly so you can verify 😂.
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This is how conspiracy theories work. "Here's one death marked incorrectly (even though it was fixed). I bet there's more than just one - I don't know anyone who died of COVID, so the numbers can't be this bad. So I say 75,000 of the 150,000 are made up!!!!!! Can't trust any doctor or scientist!!!"
 
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NashVol11 said:
The guy has doubled down on appeasing his base at every opportunity and is willing to ignore science and push misinformation (and drugs that don't work) during a pandemic just so he doesn't have to admit he's wrong, and all you got is "he doesn't act presidential at times" lol
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Double down with his base ? So do the Democrats. Why do you criticize one side and not the other. Hydroxcine. (Sp?) Many credentialed doctors support and state these drug is effective if used early on and there is people in the public eye public even today coming out stating their doctor has put them on it.
I am not talking about the witch doctor which was in the news lately.
There should be no censorship by any social network of information regarding this drug. The book is not closed on this.
 
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norrislakevol said:
To completely leave Corona in the rear view I would say that 70 to 90 percent is probably accurate. I have read that between 30 and 50 percent of all people already have some immunity to this due to being exposed to a similar virus in the past. I guess that would explain why some people within the same household consistently test negative although one of their family members is ill with the virus.

I work with a guy who just returned to work after having Corona virus. He had the classic symptoms. 102 degree fever, chest pain, cough, and weakness. His friend caught it at the same time and all he had was a loss of taste for a while. Dudes wife never tested positive, so she definitely had immunity of some kind.
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Good points. Blood type has been proposed as a criteria for the severity of COVID.
 
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There have been various models that predict mortality based on mask compliance and reduction in travel and the degree to which social distancing is implemented. Do some research yourself. South Korea and the US had their first cases on the same day, what does the COVID situation look like in that country? When you find out, tell me the lack of a cohesive national plan doesn’t affect mortality totals. Trump has had literally no plan other than to hope “one day it will magically disappear”. The number of deaths that could have been avoided is unknown, but most infectious disease and public health officials would say it is quite sizable.
So I disagree on your assertion that Coumo’s decision led to more deaths than the “stable genius’s” lack of any semblance of a plan. But, maybe I could be persuaded if you show me a report that NY governor’s nursing home decision led to X number of deaths. Otherwise your just parroting a bunch of FOXNEWS whataboutism.
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There apparently was a plan, but no one seemed to want to implement it while it was blue states getting hit

How Jared Kushner’s Secret Testing Plan “Went Poof Into Thin Air”
 
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VOLnVANDYland said:
China travel ban was incomplete and was never going to work in stopping a virus that was already widespread if that policy was implemented in the abscence of any other cohesive nation strategy. Keep hanging your hat on that....Seems to be working beautifully....Great call by genius Trump
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It was a great call. The spread would have happened sooner and greater in number if he had not done that.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Their investigation found one case. One case where someone put down a death as covid 19 because of a positive test result instead of looking at the COD on which I'm guessing was probably "blunt force trauma" or something similar.

One case that was corrected after it was called out, but somehow that is to be extrapolated the the hundreds of other health departments are actively falsifying death certificates to inflate covid 19 deaths?

That's really where you think this incident leads?
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Colorado man died of alcohol poisoning, but death was later blamed on coronavirus: report
 
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VOLnVANDYland said:
There have been various models that predict mortality based on mask compliance and reduction in travel and the degree to which social distancing is implemented. Do some research yourself. South Korea and the US had their first cases on the same day, what does the COVID situation look like in that country? When you find out, tell me the lack of a cohesive national plan doesn’t affect mortality totals.
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Okay, so lay out the plan for me. In hindsight it should be easy to say exactly what we should have done differently on a national level.

The one thing Trump could have done is lockdown the country for longer and with stricter guidelines. You guys won't go there because there are actual negative consequences to decisions like that. Instead, all you guys can talk about is rhetoric about masks and hydroxychloroquine. Two topics which have zero causal affect to any death in the country, outside of maybe fish tank cleaner guy. You have nothing else.

As far as NY nursing homes, over 6200 dead in nursing homes, with nowhere near that rate in any other city in the world for nursing homes. And we have a policy from Cuomo that we can agree is awful... Directly linked with allowing the virus to spread in nursing homes.

Is that a smoking gun? No. You just have to apply a tiny amount of logic to the situation. I'm offering the same amount of leeway in your criticism of Trump, so let's hear it. Also, free to present the null hypothesis for why nursing homes got hit so much harder in NY than anywhere else. Can't wait.
 
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