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[Ten_Titans]

This is how conspiracy theories work. "Here's one death marked incorrectly (even though it was fixed). I bet there's more than just one - I don't know anyone who died of COVID, so the numbers can't be this bad. So I say 75,000 of the 150,000 are made up!!!!!! Can't trust any doctor or scientist!!!"

If finding evidence of one example is used as a hypothesis that there are other examples, the majority of science is a conspiracy.

I caught a fish on the lake, but the idea that there are any other fish in the lake is just a conspiracy .

You are straw manning my argument. I'm not saying that there is some national conspiracy, just that the data collection protocol we are using has most likely resulted in some amount of fatality inflation.

Do you think there are zero deaths in the country that have been falsely attributed to COVID? If not, then we have the same position.

 

[BeardedVol]

Not actively. But if they would mark down a crash victim as a Covid death, they would potentially mark down a lot of deaths as Covid that aren't. There is going to be error when the coroners aren't the ones collecting this data. That's just common sense.

As far as the idea that you only hear secondary accounts, you're right. If I find anyone who had their death incorrectly marked as Covid, I'll tell them to post to this thread directly so you can verify .

And the FoxOrlando "investigation" did nothing to determine how the data for these numbers is being pulled. It could be case of a poorly written SQL query of a database that didn't exclude records with that didn't have the primary COD as covid 19. We don't know because the focus of their investigation was to find intentional fraud, and so the manufactured the impression of"fraud" from a single error which was subsequently fixed.

There will always be some human error, there will also be undercounts as well where someone's death is covid 19 related, and they don't get counted, but the idea that there is a vast conspiracy of between the federal government and hundreds of health departments, is well into the tin-foil hat realm.

 

[MurphyVol]

There have been various models that predict mortality based on mask compliance and reduction in travel and the degree to which social distancing is implemented. Do some research yourself. South Korea and the US had their first cases on the same day, what does the COVID situation look like in that country? When you find out, tell me the lack of a cohesive national plan doesn’t affect mortality totals. Trump has had literally no plan other than to hope “one day it will magically disappear”. The number of deaths that could have been avoided is unknown, but most infectious disease and public health officials would say it is quite sizable.
So I disagree on your assertion that Coumo’s decision led to more deaths than the “stable genius’s” lack of any semblance of a plan. But, maybe I could be persuaded if you show me a report that NY governor’s nursing home decision led to X number of deaths. Otherwise your just parroting a bunch of FOXNEWS whataboutism.

I call baloney. I thought his Lysol injections were pretty solid

 

[NashVol11]

If finding evidence of one example is used as a hypothesis that there are other examples, the majority of science is a conspiracy.

I caught a fish on the lake, but the idea that there are any other fish in the lake is just a conspiracy .

You are straw manning my argument. I'm not saying that there is some national conspiracy, just that the data collection protocol we are using has most likely resulted in some amount of fatality inflation.

Do you think there are zero deaths in the country that have been falsely attributed to COVID? If not, then we have the same position.

No, pushing the idea that they are marking down “a lot” of deaths as COVID that aren’t, because you’ve seen it once or twice, is not the same position as mine

 

[BeardedVol]

I call baloney. I thought his Lysol injections were pretty solid

@JohnWardForever has been washing down his daily dose hydroxychloroquine that he gets from a guy selling it from the trunk of his car in an old Sears parking lot with a mixture of bleach, lysol, and ground up UV bulbs, and he's still posting Qanon garbage on here daily, so it must be safe, right?

 

[CagleMtnVol]

"...several football players raised concerns about their safety..."

There's about 1200 players on SEC football teams but "several" are to be the deciding factor?

Didn't you know that people in the minority are now considered the majority. See BLM / Antifa, people against names like Redskins and Aunt Jemima.

 

[VOLnVANDYland]

Okay, so lay out the plan for me. In hindsight it should be easy to say exactly what we should have done differently on a national level.

The one thing Trump could have done is lockdown the country for longer and with stricter guidelines. You guys won't go there because there are actual negative consequences to decisions like that. Instead, all you guys can talk about is rhetoric about masks and hydroxychloroquine. Two topics which have zero causal affect to any death in the country, outside of maybe fish tank cleaner guy. You have nothing else.

As far as NY nursing homes, over 6200 dead in nursing homes, with nowhere near that rate in any other city in the world for nursing homes. And we have a policy from Cuomo that we can agree is awful... Directly linked with allowing the virus to spread in nursing homes.

Is that a smoking gun? No. You just have to apply a tiny amount of logic to the situation. I'm offering the same amount of leeway in your criticism of Trump, so let's hear it. Also, free to present the null hypothesis for why nursing homes got hit so much harder in NY than anywhere else. Can't wait.

How about instead of felating Xi on Twitter to get his farce of a trade deal passed, he actually pressured China in December and January to allow our CDC on the ground in Wuhan? How about the failure of early testing in this country due to the overly restrictive FDA Emergency use approval processes. How about not recognizing critical failures in supply chains and not implementing the defense production act sooner? How about the continued insistence at undermining our healthcare officials and institutions , and and its affects on a cohesive message to the public? How does undermining the NIH and CDC affect compliance with social distancing and universal masking which were our only effective tools to mitigate the pandemic? And his obsession with unproven therapies? Are those merely a distraction, or are those more dangerous? And you do realize that the incidence of disease in a specific community will also affect incidence of disease in the same community’s nursing home? NYC is a pretty population dense area. And I would hope you would learn from governor Desantis about puffing your chest out prematurely, that Turkey got caught with his pants down despite much more lead time than NY. Is that enough or should I keep going?

 

[MG1968]

Not true . When you see people without a mask .. just stay away from them . There , problem solved . It’s simple really .

Unless you’re rioting and burning **** down. Then you can practically bathe in another person’s saliva and your immunity is assured.

 

[NashVol11]

Didn't you know that people in the minority are now considered the majority. See BLM / Antifa, people against names like Redskins and Aunt Jemima.

See also Southerners against segregation in the ‘60s, or people who had favorable views of the March on Washington. The majority is often wrong.

 

[kell7517]

"Free" education? LOL

Yeah free. No money out of there pockets. So LOL that one. That’s why it’s a full ride scholly. The school pays for your education, room and board, books and food. Heck even your exercise program and medical problems. All you need to do is maintain good grades, stay out of trouble and play football. Sure sounds like free to me.

 

[Dumbledorange]

Yeah free. No money out of there pockets. So LOL that one. That’s why it’s a full ride scholly. The school pays for your education, room and board, books and food. Heck even your exercise program and medical problems. All you need to do is maintain good grades, stay out of trouble and play football. Sure sounds like free to me.

It isn't free when you have a contract to work/play for a contractor. Simple as that and if you don't believe me, ask a D1 athlete if sports isn't work.

 

[BeardedVol]

Colorado man died of alcohol poisoning, but death was later blamed on coronavirus: report

And I'm all for not counting that as a covid 19-related death, probably not for the same reason as you, but because they have no clue what actually killed him. COD on his death certificate was put down as, 'acute alcohol toxicity' but he was found dead after temperatures dipped to 36 over night which most likely would have caused hypothermia to set in , and he was positive for covid 19.

The reality with that case, is that the coroner picked what he thought was the most likely cause of death, having a BAC of .55, which is very high, but not necessarily fatal by itself.

So we have two, one that was corrected in Florida, and one where the Colorado health department is choosing to count the death because of a confirmed laboratory positive for covid 19.

So back to one questionable case since the Florida correction.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Well, it's not my projections. I simply quoted it. I didn't say I thought it was accurate or hogwash. If you have a statistical model you've put together I'll be happy to quote that too

As far as quoting an infection rate that high my best guess would be the ga summer camp that had about a 42% infection rate with 260 positive tests

I don't need a statistical model. Terrible, inaccurate, and nonsensical models have largely led us into the predicament where we find ourselves. Better than using a worthless model, it is now possible to actually observe real data from around the world. No country or large demographic anywhere has seen infection rates approach 50%. Interestingly, no matter the approach (shutdowns, masks, schools, etc), numerous areas appear to be at or near herd immunity.

 

[VOLnVANDYland]

Yeah free. No money out of there pockets. So LOL that one. That’s why it’s a full ride scholly. The school pays for your education, room and board, books and food. Heck even your exercise program and medical problems. All you need to do is maintain good grades, stay out of trouble and play football. Sure sounds like free to me.

You’ve clearly never sat for an economics course

 

[CagleMtnVol]

See also Southerners against segregation in the ‘60s, or people who had favorable views of the March on Washington. The majority is often wrong.

That's no where remotely the same.

 

[volfanhill]

Yeah free. No money out of there pockets. So LOL that one. That’s why it’s a full ride scholly. The school pays for your education, room and board, books and food. Heck even your exercise program and medical problems. All you need to do is maintain good grades, stay out of trouble and play football. Sure sounds like free to me.

Your company should pay you in education. Why not pay the coaches in education?

 

[NashVol11]

That's no where remotely the same.

Eh, try complaining to someone 10 years from now about how "the majority" that supported Confederate statues or the name Redskins were cruelly ignored, and I suspect you won't get much sympathy

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Not true . When you see people without a mask .. just stay away from them . There , problem solved . It’s simple really .

Inside a business that is not possible all the time.

 

[hog88]

There have been various models that predict mortality based on mask compliance and reduction in travel and the degree to which social distancing is implemented. Do some research yourself. South Korea and the US had their first cases on the same day, what does the COVID situation look like in that country? When you find out, tell me the lack of a cohesive national plan doesn’t affect mortality totals. Trump has had literally no plan other than to hope “one day it will magically disappear”. The number of deaths that could have been avoided is unknown, but most infectious disease and public health officials would say it is quite sizable.
So I disagree on your assertion that Coumo’s decision led to more deaths than the “stable genius’s” lack of any semblance of a plan. But, maybe I could be persuaded if you show me a report that NY governor’s nursing home decision led to X number of deaths. Otherwise your just parroting a bunch of FOXNEWS whataboutism.

Exactly what power does a president have to implement a national plan? He can’t issue a nation wide mask mandate, he can’t close restaurants and bars, he can’t order people to stay home so just what the hell can a president legally do?

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

According to many in this thread, that would have been a good thing, apparently

Yes, if you turn a blind eye to the increased deaths, herd immunity is the answer.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Exactly what power does a president have to implement a national plan? He can’t issue a nation wide mask mandate, he can’t close restaurants and bars, he can’t order people to stay home so just what the hell can a president legally do?

That’s right. He gets the blame for some of these things but every time he speaks about a national mandate or action the left screams it is unconstitutional and threatens lawsuits.

 

[allvol123]

This is a bad take. Obviously the President isn't a doctor, but we can't have our administration pushing misinformation, given that hundreds of millions of people are dumb enough to listen or to start championing doctors who believe that demon sex in dreams is causing health problems. We've seen that already.

Beyond that, there's a natural assumption that the advice coming from the President on how to remain safe during a pandemic, war, etc. is being relayed by said President based on information given to him by our leading health/military officials. Trump just says they're lying unless they agree with him, then throws out whatever conspiracy theory paints him in the most flattering light.

We've been over this 50 times. Your doctor is who you deal with this on this matter, not the Trump administration.

On your second point, no I dont make those assumptions.

This president has really done nothing that should have impacted your life concerning covid. It's pretty simple.

 

[chuckb1448]

You are disturbed, seek help. Hope you don’t work directly with patients

Yes I do.... Sheep

 

[chuckb1448]

You are disturbed, seek help. Hope you don’t work directly with patients

U Obviously missed the 6.5 million dead to hunger and the 24 million abortions.

 

[VOLnVANDYland]

Exactly what power does a president have to implement a national plan? He can’t issue a nation wide mask mandate, he can’t close restaurants and bars, he can’t order people to stay home so just what the hell can a president legally do?

How can a president outline and help implement a national plan? During a national crisis? Lol,is that a real question? Do you think people asked FDR or Lincoln similar questions?