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titansvolsfaninga said:
You mean the demon semen lady? Right.....
Just because you have daddy issues, does not mean you need to defend donald to your dying breath. He will love you about the same as he loves his other kids, except for ivanka.....he loves her differently....in a creepy kind of way.
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You just proved how despicable a person you are.
 
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Yahoo News/YouGov coronavirus poll: Number of Americans who plan to get vaccinated falls to 42% — a new low

For a COVID-19 vaccine to actually stop the pandemic, scientists estimate that at least 60 percent of the population — and probably more like 75 or 80 percent — would need to be vaccinated, a number that depends on many factors, including the efficacy of the vaccine itself and how widely the virus has already spread.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
With that said, expect some major event to happen that will help to encourage more citizens to be willing to take the vaccine. This battle is far from over...
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Agreed, but I think it has more to do with the election than with the vaccine.
 
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Sea Ray said:
I think that number will increase when the people see that folks aren't peeling over after getting it. But as a society we can't let the anti-vaxxers keep us from getting back to normal life such as going to Neyland Stadium. Once it's out and available to everyone, we ought to open everything back up. If the anti-vaxxers get sick, screw em.
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Your first sentence is correct.
 
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LouderVol said:
Italy's economy project at minus 11%.
Average for europe is more than 8%
European economy will suffer deeper recession than expected - CNN
Sweden is 7%
Virus Hit to Sweden’s Economy Seen Among Least Bad in Europe

Not the same source so take with some salt.

If you wanted more of a comparison I would think you would have to look at percentage import vs export for various countries. I have no idea where they sit on trade dependency vs self supporting. Obviously tourism is shot all to pieces. The first article was saying Greece may be higher than Italy in losses.

The main thing is they have kept things open. So any losses are natural, instead of government mandated losses like we are seeing over here to go on top of what would have already been losses. For us pro Captialism folks the source of a loss matters, a lot.
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So they’re marginally outperforming Europe as a whole.

Their deaths per million exceed ours by 90. That’s a difference of roughly 30,000 dead people.

And, afaik, there isn’t any indication that we’d be doing even as well as they are. They didn’t/don’t have a figurehead and propaganda arm of one of only two major political cults telling people not to take it seriously. I’d be surprised if people there are having fist/gun fights over wearing masks. I doubt that the leaders of their most densely populated city stuffed infected people into buildings with the most vulnerable populations.

I would assume that their economic woes are comparable to the rest of Europe because their people listened to Samuel L. Jackson and stayed the **** at home.

Ours still won’t. Which is why even most pro-capitalism governors had to escalate to stay-at-home orders in April and May.

Seems like those for whom capitalism is such a first principle that the source of the loss matters more than deaths would be among the most outspoken critics of the reckless behaviors that justify the government intervention in the first place. It’s actively screwing up your ideals as much as it is anybody else’s.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
So they’re marginally outperforming Europe as a whole.

Their deaths per million exceed ours by 90. That’s a difference of roughly 30,000 dead people.

And, afaik, there isn’t any indication that we’d be doing even as well as they are. They didn’t/don’t have a figurehead and propaganda arm of one of only two major political cults telling people not to take it seriously. I’d be surprised if people there are having fist/gun fights over wearing masks. I doubt that the leaders of their most densely populated city stuffed infected people into buildings with the most vulnerable populations.

I would assume that their economic woes are comparable to the rest of Europe because their people listened to Samuel L. Jackson and stayed the **** at home.

Ours still won’t. Which is why even most pro-capitalism governors had to escalate to stay-at-home orders in April and May.

Seems like those for whom capitalism is such a first principle that the source of the loss matters more than deaths would be among the most outspoken critics of the reckless behaviors that justify the government intervention in the first place. It’s actively screwing up your ideals as much as it is anybody else’s.
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No capitalism respects freedom of choice. All around. No forces people to shop anywhere at any time. A business could be hurt by a disease hitting the whole country, their own failed health inspections, a bad tweet by the owner. It's all fair game for the loss of business under capitalism.

Under no circumstances does capitalism call for government intervention. If they fail, they fail. If they succeed, they succeed.

Capitalism is not a political theory. Its Pure economics. And unlike what many want to think, the lows are just as much a part of capitalism as the highs. Under capitalism you have the ability to prepare for lows.

The only way to fail at capitalism is to get the government involved.
 
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LouderVol said:
No capitalism respects freedom of choice. All around. No forces people to shop anywhere at any time. A business could be hurt by a disease hitting the whole country, their own failed health inspections, a bad tweet by the owner. It's all fair game for the loss of business under capitalism.

Under no circumstances does capitalism call for government intervention. If they fail, they fail. If they succeed, they succeed.

Capitalism is not a political theory. Its Pure economics. And unlike what many want to think, the lows are just as much a part of capitalism as the highs. Under capitalism you have the ability to prepare for lows.

The only way to fail at capitalism is to get the government involved.
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No.

To what degree a government chooses to adhere to free market capitalism (by regulating commerce) is a political question.


The reality is that the US government and state governments have a varying degree of authority to regulate commerce. You’ve been on notice that your government has this authority for your entire life. You’ve been on notice that it has this authority under the current precise circumstances since, iirc, 1954 (or your whole life, whichever is shorter).

It is your ideal that the government should regulate the market very little or not at all.

The reality is that the degree to which regulation will occur is significantly based upon the choices of citizens that negatively and unreasonably affect their neighbors.

Therefore, people making ****** choices are at least partially responsible for the current shifting of governments away from your ideal.

Advocating for them to make better choices has nothing do with forcing the choice on them, unless “you” are the government and “advocating” means coercion by threat of force. I don’t think that’s the case.
 
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