Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[volbeast33]

I see it daily in my practice

Yep lack of services cause a huge decline and isolation causes decline as well.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Care to elaborate? Or, would you like to come spend a few days with me and roll your eyes at the parents in tears of frustration, the teenagers who won't leave their rooms, or the autistic children who have fallen back several years, developmentally. Get over yourself.

 

[utvolpj]

Care to elaborate? Or, would you like to come spend a few days with me and roll your eyes at the parents in tears of frustration, the teenagers who won't leave their rooms, or the autistic children who have fallen back several years, developmentally. Get over yourself.

I've experienced it on a much smaller level with my youngest when school was first canceled and we locked down. There was a marked improvement when we finally got him into camp. His demeanor this morning when he realized that school starts tomorrow was something I haven't seen since March. I can't imagine the damage done to kids with true disabilities.

 

[BigOrangeD]

 

[UT_VOLS13]

UConn 1st FBS team to cancel football season

 

[RockyTop85]

Yeah ok

You saying they didn’t deal with SARS or that they didn’t leave a playbook?

The whole “I don’t care about politics,” from you is looking like a load of crap.

 

[BeardedVol]

How nice of "just the news"(lol) to not list his full quote and go full click-bait headline instead.

"There's no reason to suspect that the death count is not accurate," he replied. "Obviously, there are individuals that may die that may not have been diagnosed with COVID, so there is that possibility, but I do think that the reporting we do get from the state and local and tribal territory health departments and our center for national health statistics is accurate."

 

[clinical]

I'm new here but the negativity around Covid in the community(Knoxville, not VN) seems way out of proportion to me, current hospitalizations are at 33, down from 44 last week. 197 total in 5 months. 1.3 hospitalizations/day. 1,000 available beds, 60 available ICU beds, surge capacity can double both.
New cases have stayed roughly the same, maybe a slight increase since the mask mandate. So what are people worried about? Surely there is no excuse for anything to be closed or mask mandates to be necessary? Our hospital system isn't even close to being overwhelmed and we're arguably at the top of our "surge" since they seem to last for around 1 month in other states...ours started around July 1

Knox County COVID-19 Case Count - COVID-19 - Health Department - Knox County Tennessee Government

 

[0nelilreb]

I'm new here but the negativity around Covid in the community(Knoxville, not VN) seems way out of proportion to me, current hospitalizations are at 33, down from 44 last week. 197 total in 5 months. 1.3 hospitalizations/day. 1,000 available beds, 60 available ICU beds, surge capacity can double both.
New cases have stayed roughly the same, maybe a slight increase since the mask mandate. So what are people worried about? Surely there is no excuse for anything to be closed or mask mandates to be necessary? Our hospital system isn't even close to being overwhelmed and we're arguably at the top of our "surge" since they seem to last for around 1 month in other states...ours started around July 1

Knox County COVID-19 Case Count - COVID-19 - Health Department - Knox County Tennessee Government

I hope your cup is firmly in place and you are prepared for what’s coming .

 

[volbeast33]

You saying they didn’t deal with SARS or that they didn’t leave a playbook?

The whole “I don’t care about politics,” from you is looking like a load of crap.

I care about politics.... I just don’t think this issue should be political..... I have read the playbook..... just don’t believe it is a Game changer..... we have the WHO and the CDC that is monitors these situations.... they should plan and come up with the most effective way to attack situations such as these.... it was basically the reason they exist.

 

[BigOrangeD]

How nice of "just the news"(lol) to not list his full quote and go full click-bait headline instead.

"There's no reason to suspect that the death count is not accurate," he replied. "Obviously, there are individuals that may die that may not have been diagnosed with COVID, so there is that possibility, but I do think that the reporting we do get from the state and local and tribal territory health departments and our center for national health statistics is accurate."

The tweet was a link to the entire article. Glad you found it.

 

[BeardedVol]

The tweet was a link to the entire article. Glad you found it.

The click bait headline in the article was what I was referring to.

One has to wonder if John Solomon is dumb enough to fall for every click-bait article he comes across, or he actually reads them and still tries to willfully miaconstrue the contents?

Should probably ask the same of his Twitter followers.

 

[BigOrangeD]

The click bait headline in the article was what I was referring to.

One has to wonder if John Solomon is dumb enough to fall for every click-bait article he comes across, or he actually reads them and still tries to willfully miaconstrue the contents?

Should probably ask the same of his Twitter followers.

Every news outlet does that. It is what it is. They want traffic and hits.

 

[RockyTop85]

I care about politics.... I just don’t think this issue should be political..... I have read the playbook..... just don’t believe it is a Game changer..... we have the WHO and the CDC that is monitors these situations.... they should plan and come up with the most effective way to attack situations such as these.... it was basically the reason they exist.

If the CDC and WHO performed those functions, why did Obama Admin take what they learned from H1N1, Ebola, etc. and develop offices at DHS and NSC to monitor potential outbreaks?

 

[hog88]

UConn 1st FBS team to cancel football season

It wouldn't surprise me to see them disband the football program. We will probably see other schools do the same.

 

[hog88]

I'm new here but the negativity around Covid in the community(Knoxville, not VN) seems way out of proportion to me, current hospitalizations are at 33, down from 44 last week. 197 total in 5 months. 1.3 hospitalizations/day. 1,000 available beds, 60 available ICU beds, surge capacity can double both.
New cases have stayed roughly the same, maybe a slight increase since the mask mandate. So what are people worried about? Surely there is no excuse for anything to be closed or mask mandates to be necessary? Our hospital system isn't even close to being overwhelmed and we're arguably at the top of our "surge" since they seem to last for around 1 month in other states...ours started around July 1

Knox County COVID-19 Case Count - COVID-19 - Health Department - Knox County Tennessee Government

Look mister! If you can't come in here virtue signaling, acting like the sky is falling and babbling like a drunken lawyer about how this is all Trump's fault I'm going to have to kindly ask you to leave.

 

[tntar heel]

I'm new here but the negativity around Covid in the community(Knoxville, not VN) seems way out of proportion to me, current hospitalizations are at 33, down from 44 last week. 197 total in 5 months. 1.3 hospitalizations/day. 1,000 available beds, 60 available ICU beds, surge capacity can double both.
New cases have stayed roughly the same, maybe a slight increase since the mask mandate. So what are people worried about? Surely there is no excuse for anything to be closed or mask mandates to be necessary? Our hospital system isn't even close to being overwhelmed and we're arguably at the top of our "surge" since they seem to last for around 1 month in other states...ours started around July 1

Knox County COVID-19 Case Count - COVID-19 - Health Department - Knox County Tennessee Government

Welcome and don't forget your VN issued riot gear. Make sure Freak didn't give you the last guys vest with the hole in the chest plate.

 

[LouderVol]

No.

To what degree a government chooses to adhere to free market capitalism (by regulating commerce) is a political question.


The reality is that the US government and state governments have a varying degree of authority to regulate commerce. You’ve been on notice that your government has this authority for your entire life. You’ve been on notice that it has this authority under the current precise circumstances since, iirc, 1954 (or your whole life, whichever is shorter).

It is your ideal that the government should regulate the market very little or not at all.

The reality is that the degree to which regulation will occur is significantly based upon the choices of citizens that negatively and unreasonably affect their neighbors.

Therefore, people making ****** choices are at least partially responsible for the current shifting of governments away from your ideal.

Advocating for them to make better choices has nothing do with forcing the choice on them, unless “you” are the government and “advocating” means coercion by threat of force. I don’t think that’s the case.

But going back to what we started talking about Sweden isnt having to shut down businesses. So going back to your original question, that is something they are doing FAR better.

And just because something has been happening for a while doesnt mean it's ok, good, or should be accepted. If anything this current situation shows why our government should never have had the power to start. It's not a slippery slope argument when you are sitting at the bottom of the hill on your butt covered in mud.

And as far as the small percentages go there is a bigger difference in the economy deltas than there is in the population lost deltas. So if Swedens excess deaths compared to its neighbors matter at .05% compared to .04% I would think a +1% gdp difference is significant.

The question that the coronabros have never even attempted to answer is what level of economic loss, and associated suffering is acceptable to them. Right now all I hear is they dont care, they have to save every last life from Corona. Anyone else that suffers or dies doesnt matter. I just dont get the mindset, there is zero attempt at balance, and if anything they want to kick it even further out of whack.

How does one justify caring about only the loss from Corona? Imo it's so they dont have to face an guilt or self blame for the coming losses. "We did what we had to do", while stepping over who knows how much suffering.

At least under capitalism, it's fair. You are responsible for your own suffering. Under this government control bs, you arent even allowed to care for yourself with your job shut down, travel shut down, family visits shut down, hospitals closed to non Covid. How is that possibly fair?

 

[37L1]

But going back to what we started talking about Sweden isnt having to shut down businesses. So going back to your original question, that is something they are doing FAR better.

And just because something has been happening for a while doesnt mean it's ok, good, or should be accepted. If anything this current situation shows why our government should never have had the power to start. It's not a slippery slope argument when you are sitting at the bottom of the hill on your butt covered in mud.

And as far as the small percentages go there is a bigger difference in the economy deltas than there is in the population lost deltas. So if Swedens excess deaths compared to its neighbors matter at .05% compared to .04% I would think a +1% gdp difference is significant.

The question that the coronabros have never even attempted to answer is what level of economic loss, and associated suffering is acceptable to them. Right now all I hear is they dont care, they have to save every last life from Corona. Anyone else that suffers or dies doesnt matter. I just dont get the mindset, there is zero attempt at balance, and if anything they want to kick it even further out of whack.

How does one justify caring about only the loss from Corona? Imo it's so they dont have to face an guilt or self blame for the coming losses. "We did what we had to do", while stepping over who knows how much suffering.

At least under capitalism, it's fair. You are responsible for your own suffering. Under this government control bs, you arent even allowed to care for yourself with your job shut down, travel shut down, family visits shut down, hospitals closed to non Covid. How is that possibly fair?

What is this "fair" you are talking about?

I was told by many senior to me as I was growing up that "Life isn't fair."

 

[hog88]

But going back to what we started talking about Sweden isnt having to shut down businesses. So going back to your original question, that is something they are doing FAR better.

And just because something has been happening for a while doesnt mean it's ok, good, or should be accepted. If anything this current situation shows why our government should never have had the power to start. It's not a slippery slope argument when you are sitting at the bottom of the hill on your butt covered in mud.

And as far as the small percentages go there is a bigger difference in the economy deltas than there is in the population lost deltas. So if Swedens excess deaths compared to its neighbors matter at .05% compared to .04% I would think a +1% gdp difference is significant.

The question that the coronabros have never even attempted to answer is what level of economic loss, and associated suffering is acceptable to them. Right now all I hear is they dont care, they have to save every last life from Corona. Anyone else that suffers or dies doesnt matter. I just dont get the mindset, there is zero attempt at balance, and if anything they want to kick it even further out of whack.

How does one justify caring about only the loss from Corona? Imo it's so they dont have to face an guilt or self blame for the coming losses. "We did what we had to do", while stepping over who knows how much suffering.

At least under capitalism, it's fair. You are responsible for your own suffering. Under this government control bs, you arent even allowed to care for yourself with your job shut down, travel shut down, family visits shut down, hospitals closed to non Covid. How is that possibly fair?

Nice job Louder.

 

[LouderVol]

The government has the power to regulate commerce.
People behaving irresponsibly in a pandemic is a known justification for more regulation.
If your ideal is less regulation,
then your beef is with people behaving irresponsibly.

...Or you can form a coalition to amend the constitution. (But it doesn’t appear to have super-majority support).

It's the governments job to curtail people behaving irresponsibly? To the extent that they punish everyone? To the extent that it justifies future suffering? To me that is irresponsible of the government.

It's the governments job to maintain the law, not babysit individuals.

No wonder you are a lawyer.

And it's no wonder we ended up with Trump with this line of thinking. I am surprised you ever get a negative word out since you dont have the super majority to make the change.

 

[LouderVol]

What is this "fair" you are talking about?

I was told by many senior to me as I was growing up that "Life isn't fair."

Well in this case fair just means being responsible for your self. Being able to exercise free will.

But that free will scares some people because they have been told to be scared. And thus the government grows.

 

[37L1]

Well in this case fair just means being responsible for your self. Being able to exercise free will.

But that free will scares some people because they have been told to be scared. And thus the government grows.

For every law that's passed, a freedom dies. Sometimes for good reason and sometimes not.

 

[landscapingvol]

Japan has had strict mask mandated in place yet their case numbers are going up. Don’t you get it? If you and some others cannot see it by now then there is no hope. There is very little we can do to stop the spread. This virus is going to spread regardless of what we do.

Their cases are going up? Yes, they have had a small spike recently but they would have to reach roughly 900k infected just to reach Sweden’s current infection rate. That seems very unlikely considering they are currently at 40k with a population of 112 million. There are things you can do but many Americans refuse to do them

 

[LouderVol]

Nice job Louder.

They are taking a circular religious belief to the government.

The government does it so it must be good. It's good because the government says it is.