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larjoranj said:
I find this amazing. My daughter is a nurse at one of the big 4 hospitals in Nashville. They are so short of n95 masks that they have some sort of sterilization procedure they do to the mask at the end of each shift and they wear them again the next day. However, they aren't marked in any way so you don't know if you're getting the same mask you wore yesterday or a mask someone else wore. Sounds like a bad plan to me.

Also, her best friend is a nurse at another of the big 4 - in the Covid unit. Her friend's dad is in the hospital with Covid and her mom is sick at home with it. She is afraid to take a n95 mask home with her in case her mom gets sicker and she has to go take care of her. My daughter asked me today If I have an extra she could give to her friend to wear when she takes care of her mom at home. Luckily I had a couple extra.

How pathetic is it that 6 months into this thing hospitals still don't have enough n95 masks and are re-using them?
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That’s on hospital leadership. My guess is the hospitals didn’t want to spend the money on them in advance
 
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clinical said:
I'm new here but the negativity around Covid in the community(Knoxville, not VN) seems way out of proportion to me, current hospitalizations are at 33, down from 44 last week. 197 total in 5 months. 1.3 hospitalizations/day. 1,000 available beds, 60 available ICU beds, surge capacity can double both.
New cases have stayed roughly the same, maybe a slight increase since the mask mandate. So what are people worried about? Surely there is no excuse for anything to be closed or mask mandates to be necessary? Our hospital system isn't even close to being overwhelmed and we're arguably at the top of our "surge" since they seem to last for around 1 month in other states...ours started around July 1

Knox County COVID-19 Case Count - COVID-19 - Health Department - Knox County Tennessee Government
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And we have been at the forefront this entire year on it.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Their cases are going up? Yes, they have had a small spike recently but they would have to reach roughly 900k infected just to reach Sweden’s current infection rate. That seems very unlikely considering they are currently at 40k with a population of 112 million. There are things you can do but many Americans refuse to do them
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Not really. You can claim social distancing, masks and lockdowns are the key but they aren’t. Sweden is a much, much more diverse population than Japan. Can’t really compare them one to one. We have seen cases go up even though super strict restrictions are in place. Why? Because it’s an infectious virus. That’s the way it is.
 
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508mikey said:
wearing your tin foil hat again I see
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Yeah, sorry that was supposed to be we have about 15000% more deaths than Japan, but adjusted for population that drops to around 5000% more deaths.

If a tinfoil hat improves math, I might give it a try, but I think I might be in the ballpark
 
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Save the sanctimony for somebody less pragmatic. I tell my clients they can’t get acquitted because they drove around with dank weed in their car with no taillights. That doesn’t mean I believe fourth amendment jurisprudence is perfect. Doesn’t even mean I believe drugs should be illegal. I understand and operate within the system that we have. You should try it.

Oh wait, when you did, the best you could come up with was that 30,000 deaths is worth a marginal uptick in the economy. And even that argument rests on the flawed assertion that zero intervention in America would be proportionate in result to zero intervention in Sweden. That’s a prudential argument. A bad one. One you didn’t realize was bad when you were throwing out Fox News talking points about Sweden, a few days ago. When you realized it was bad is when you derailed into virtue signaling and trying to shame me about not sharing your ideals.

Which, btw, is incredibly typical of you. Get caught talking out your ass about what is so you turn all sanctimonious about what should be.

LouderVol said:
It's the governments job to curtail people behaving irresponsibly? To the extent that they punish everyone? To the extent that it justifies future suffering? To me that is irresponsible of the government.
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In America? When the consequences of those irresponsible choices affect other people? When they create a public health crisis? When they spread a deadly virus? Um... YES. Where have you been for the last 240 years? The constitution doesn’t prohibit it so it’s a prudential question.

The same concept was raised yesterday (without any objection or lack of understanding from the peanut gallery), in reference to the availability of ammonium nitrate. It’s not uncommon for consequential actions, be they negligent, reckless, or intentional, to be regulated. What the hell do you think tort law is? Pollution regs? Medical certifications? Fraud prevention?

Just ask this guy, he understands:

LouderVol said:
When there is already a standard it should be applied equally across the board. Especially when it comes to a professional practice like MDs. If they are accredited doctors this is the standard they signed up for.
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It's the governments job to maintain the law, not babysit individuals.
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Ok, and “the law” says they can regulate commerce and the law gives the government broad power to regulate all manner of things during an acute public health situation, like the one going on now. That’s what the law is: it’s just a bunch of rules and consequences that prevent people from doing harm to each other.

Hell, in America, it doesn’t even have to directly affect other people. See: drug crimes.

Don’t like it? Do what you can to end the public health crisis and remove the justification for expanded government.

But the mere suggestion that you lift a finger to rectify the inconsistency between your stated ideals and actions provokes histrionics. Why?

It’s obvious.

The lifting of the finger is the common denominator. Behaving in a conscientious manner would change your status quo. The government mandates have affected your status quo. You’re all a bunch of selfish ***** who don’t want to change your lifestyle. You know you’ll get judged for admitting it, so you virtue signal about liberties that never even existed. It doesn’t even register that our response has been less constraining (and less effective) than almost every westernized country.

You’re no better than Costco Karen bitching about “constitutional freedom“ from privately mandated mask requirements. Your whole argument is devoid of any nexus to reality.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Their cases are going up? Yes, they have had a small spike recently but they would have to reach roughly 900k infected just to reach Sweden’s current infection rate. That seems very unlikely considering they are currently at 40k with a population of 112 million. There are things you can do but many Americans refuse to do them
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Well well well... Europe's hndling of this so far was supposed to be the measuring stick used for America,

The Media Said Europe "Beat Back" COVID, But Now Lockdowns Loom Again
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
People (or most Americans) do not like being told what to do. Something about dangerous liberty vs peaceful slavery.

The fear is that the powers that be will eventually want to come back with another mass shutdown and/or vaccine..
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The Founding Fathers Would’ve Been Pro-Face Mask

Washington and Jefferson at least would have told you shut up, take the vaccine when it is available, stay at home unless you have to, and wear a mask if you have to go out.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
People (or most Americans) do not like being told what to do. Something about dangerous liberty vs peaceful slavery.

The fear is that the powers that be will eventually want to come back with another mass shutdown and/or vaccine..
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Eat your veggies. Are we supposed to talk to these "adults" like children that don't know any better.

"Slavery"? You need a nap.
 
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