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#72,102
Sea Ray said:
That confirms what I posted. What's your point?
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Lmao.

You said the ship was sent there to take Covid patients.

The articles say when it arrived it couldn’t take anybody who didn’t have a negative test (at a time when tests were being rationed).

So how exactly does that confirm what you said?
 
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0nelilreb said:
Mind your own business, stay away from the person not wearing the mask and you don’t have any problems . He seems like one of those people that own a house sitting right on the edge of a huge public lake and telling people in a boat that they aren’t allowed to fish around his dock .
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Probably heads the HOA, also.
 
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LouderVol said:
The government can give itself the power ergo it is right to use the power. Again with the circular argument.
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The only circular argument is the strawman you’ve fabricated in your head and attributed to me. I’ve made no such argument and have gone out of my way to avoid defending it or responding to your arguments against it. It does not come into being simply because you repeat it enough times.

The fact that you’ve repeatedly described a constitutionally limited republic as the “government giving itself power“ is so ignorant that it would have been disqualifying in a conversation about the role of government, anyways.

Lives are on both sides of this ledger. A fact you still have yet to even acknowledge.
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Sorry, I’ve been too busy trying to get you to acknowledge that it is a prudential decision, under our system of government. Remember, when Sweden’s economic numbers looked like ****, you spent multiple posts trying to argue that it was not the government’s responsibility.

Seems pretty stupid to fault me for not acknowledging arguments that fall under an analysis that you’ve been arguing doesn’t even apply.

150k dead, 5 million infected, 15 million without jobs. That 15 is going to have a long long impact on this country. Far worse than the 150 or 5.
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So we’re right back where we started. Only this time, instead of a bogus analysis, you’re trying to use bogus numbers.

It’s not a question of 15M vs 5M infected or 150K dead. Those are totals.

Total numbers are only relevant if you’re arguing that the Swedish model would eliminate all economic loss or that the American model eliminates all death. Neither is true.

The relevant discussion is the marginal difference between the Swedish response and ours.

There are still many incalculable variables: America’s economy, unrestrained by government, might have been affected by the world shutdown more or less than Sweden.
We might have performed better by virtue of more people still going to work.
Things might be worse for Sweden, in the long run, if herd immunity turns out to be unachievable.
Many of the countries Sweden was compared to had more austere responses than we have and so may have depressed the number to which Sweden was compared in that article.
Our deaths per million may/would have been higher than Sweden’s without any government intervention, due to other factors such as culture.

What we do know is that Sweden’s economy is nominally better than it’s neighbors. Sweden was 6th, globally, in deaths per million, last time I looked. Four of the countries ahead of them were also European countries, fwiw. Translated to America’s population, the difference in deaths per million equated to roughly 30,000 more deaths.

You’ve suggested other considerations such as suicide rates or lasting economic drag. I have no idea how to quantify the marginal differences between those numbers. So how should those be weighed?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Lmao.

You said the ship was sent there to take Covid patients.

The articles say when it arrived it couldn’t take anybody who didn’t have a negative test (at a time when tests were being rationed).

So how exactly does that confirm what you said?
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The ship was originally sent to relieve the covid19 burden. That was the original intent but then it got changed in transit because they thought of the logistics of allowing a population of patients with a virus of multiple unknown factors onto a ship. At that time they weren't even sure quarternary cleaners would kill it. That's what I gleaned from news and people around here.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
The ship was originally sent to relieve the covid19 burden. That was the original intent but then it got changed in transit because they thought of the logistics of allowing a population of patients with a virus of multiple unknown factors onto a ship. At that time they weren't even sure quarternary cleaners would kill it. That's what I gleaned from news and people around here.
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So saying that NY could have housed the people who infected the nursing homes aboard the ship while it sat empty is false.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
So saying that NY could have housed the people who infected the nursing homes aboard the ship while it sat empty is false.
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I think they could have changed that mission any time they wanted to if Cuomo had requested it to be so. The were at his disposal. They also had a large field hospital set up to deal with whatever they needed to deal with that went largely unused. It’s unfortunate they didn’t make use of those 2 resources to help the elderly at that time. Hindsight. That’s all I’m saying, the resources were there, they weren’t used appropriately.
 
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Dont look now but starting to see glimpses of second waves in new cases in places like Spain, Belgium, and Holland. Must have some of that stubborn Americanism running thru their veins.
 
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Sea Ray said:
You're quick to put the President into a corner and call him a liar. There's no lying here because it's a guess on his part. It's like calling your weatherman a liar if he predicted rain yesterday and it was dry at your house. I don't understand people like you. Who would call the weatherman a liar?
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I do every day that bastard (or bitch) says that it’s not going to rain and it does. Sick, twisted people they are.
 
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