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volfanhill said:
I know three personally. They think you are crazy. Two are child hood friends. The other was featured in a story about front line workers.
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That’s fine. I know more that think I am not. There is varying opinions about COVID across the medical spectrum. Definitely no consensus agreements. That right there should be reason enough to question things.

It’s sad that physicians are scared to speak their opinions because of fear of losing their careers.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
That’s what Trump said back in April. The media and Dems went absolutely nuts and caused the drug to be pulled from the FDA approval list.
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Yep. If Trump would have said HCQ is not a viable treatment option, the left and the media would be advocating for it. There would be constant reports of how Trump said am potentially effective treatment for COVID doesn’t work.
 
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BeardedVol said:
You seem to be struggling to follow the current conversation, maybe you should go back and read some posts before commenting?
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You were talking about endorsements via non tweeting and criminal acts being worse than school or gatherings.

But if you and the mayor call out social gatherings as dangerous, it makes sense that you would call out the worse dangers of looting.

To defend that point you later linked some comments she made with the sheriff. Which as others pointed out was appeasement and not a anti looting stance.
 
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BeardedVol said:
You seem to be struggling to follow the current conversation, maybe you should go back and read some posts before commenting?
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Agree or disagree:
1. If people can gather to peacefully protest, then people can gather for other purposes, including education or recreation.
2. Conversely, if people cannot gather for recreational or educational purposes, then they should not gather for protests.

In your opinion:
3. Is there any reason to distinguish between recreational and educational gatherings?
4. Rhetoric is one thing, but is there a practical justification for a policy of facilitating and confining protests anti-police protests vs. closing public property for recreational or educational purposes?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Agree or disagree:
1. If people can gather to peacefully protest, then people can gather for other purposes, including education or recreation.
2. Conversely, if people cannot gather for recreational or educational purposes, then they should not gather for protests.

In your opinion:
3. Is there any reason to distinguish between recreational and educational gatherings?
4. Rhetoric is one thing, but is there a practical justification for a policy of facilitating and confining protests anti-police protests vs. closing public property for recreational or educational purposes?
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1&2. The protests were entirely outdoors, your chances of picking up covid 19 are less than sitting shoulder to shoulder inside a building with an AC system cycling your respiration back around the building. I personally wouldn't risk it by attending a protest or a mass-gathering religious service indoors, but I also see no problem with allowing outdoor events if people were observing social distancing and masking up.

3. Yes, because we have compulsory education in this country, and as long as the government can jail you for not sending your kid to school, they have to accept responsibility for their safety while in their care.
4. I personally would have banned protesting en masse as well. I personally do not believe there are any grounds to allow them to occur under the same auspice of public health that is used to limit participation in other forms of non-protest gathering.

That being said, I believe that protesting is wholly different than the rioting and looting that was referenced in the post that I responded to this morning, and the existence of rioting and looting has no bearing on whether or not it is safe for children to return to school, which is what @Volsfaninva917 was trying to insinuate with his post.
 
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BeardedVol said:
1&2. The protests were entirely outdoors, your chances of picking up covid 19 are less than sitting shoulder to shoulder inside a building with an AC system cycling your respiration back around the building. I personally wouldn't risk it by attending a protest or a mass-gathering religious service indoors, but I also see no problem with allowing outdoor events if people were observing social distancing and masking up.

3. Yes, because we have compulsory education in this country, and as long as the government can jail you for not sending your kid to school, they have to accept responsibility for their safety while in their care.
4. I personally would have banned protesting en masse as well. I personally do not believe there are any grounds to allow them to occur under the same auspice of public health that is used to limit participation in other forms of non-protest gathering.

That being said, I believe that protesting is wholly different than the rioting and looting that was referenced in the post that I responded to this morning, and the existence of rioting and looting has no bearing on whether or not it is safe for children to return to school, which is what @Volsfaninva917 was trying to insinuate with his post.
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There you go again, you don't actually engage in any conversion or debate. You play dumb to the subject and ask questions to try skirt around the heart of the issue. But i'll let you have the last word
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
There you go again, you don't actually engage in any conversion or debate. You play dumb to the subject and ask questions to try skirt around the heart of the issue. But i'll let you have the last word
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Feel free to contradict me, but I'm not sure how else a person can interpret the statement "But kids can't go to school, right?" followed by footage of the rioting and looting that occurred in Chicago this weekend.

I went to great lengths trying to understand your proposed logic, and you spent half a dozen posts trying to dance around your original statements while saying nothing of any consequence; that seems to be your MO on this thread.
 
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BeardedVol said:
1&2. The protests were entirely outdoors, your chances of picking up covid 19 are less than sitting shoulder to shoulder inside a building with an AC system cycling your respiration back around the building. I personally wouldn't risk it by attending a protest or a mass-gathering religious service indoors, but I also see no problem with allowing outdoor events if people were observing social distancing and masking up.

3. Yes, because we have compulsory education in this country, and as long as the government can jail you for not sending your kid to school, they have to accept responsibility for their safety while in their care.
4. I personally would have banned protesting en masse as well. I personally do not believe there are any grounds to allow them to occur under the same auspice of public health that is used to limit participation in other forms of non-protest gathering.

(5.)That being said, I believe that protesting is wholly different than the rioting and looting that was referenced in the post that I responded to this morning, and the existence of rioting and looting has no bearing on whether or not it is safe for children to return to school, which is what @Volsfaninva917 was trying to insinuate with his post.
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1&2: I disagree, to an extent. I think protesting is stupid at this point in time. Going to a protest, masked or unmasked, should be discouraged. IMO, there’s nothing wrong with acknowledging the danger the same way that has been done with other activities. And I say that as somebody who thinks that police culture is broken and that protesting them, at any other time, would be justified.
3. Agree. I think the protest and the beach gathering are much more comparable events.
4. Here’s the thing: although I feel the same way as you, personally, in terms of my own choices, I think as a matter of policy, there is a difference. Whether or not it justifies a double standard is debatable.

The protest is inherently an act of civil disobedience. Making anti-government protests illegal and trying to force them to stop is likely to make things worse (see Portland pre, during, and post Federal “occupation”). Closing the beach likely would shut down those gatherings and nobody is going to a closed school.

To the extent that what she did in her tweet about the beach was to tell people what they needed to do to in terms of self-policing, I think that’s what she should do. If the community decides that an open beach, if used responsibly, is better than a closed beach, then give people the opportunity to use the beach responsibly.

Ideally, the same should apply to protests. Her message that she expects protests to remain peaceful should take primacy. Reminding protestors that large gatherings spread the virus and asking people to consider the public health risk would also be appropriate, but not at the expense of cluttering the message of telling them that they have to respect other people’s lives and property.

5. 100% agree.
 
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Trump taken out of the briefing-- White house on Lockdown,

Edit someone shot by secret service outside white house.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
This is why we should suspend all people paying rent and give every adult $5k a month. Poverty solved, you're welcome America.
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So what about the people who are renting the properties to these tenants? Are they SOL? What if they will lose these homes to banks because they won’t be able to pay the mortgages? Or apartment complexes not able to their loans? It’s pretty short sighted to do what you say. So no thank you. You will add millions more major problems due to a potential banking collapse. You can’t just say ok no nobody pays anything. Someone will get left holding the bag. That will lead to further job loss and economic destruction. As far as your $5k a month you are drunk. So every married family is getting $120,000 a year. Yea screw it. Why don’t we just do that forever?
 
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