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LouderVol said:
Lol.

To play off of PJs post:

If I Did It: Confessions of a Governor.
Chapter 1. Old people get sick.
Chapter 2. Order them to be around other at risk people.
Chapter 3. Deny 1 and 2
Chapter 4. Write a book and profit.
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You left out the Cuomo Brothers minstrel show on CNN
 
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MurphyVol said:
Stupid vaccines, seatbelts and blood pressure medicine has made us soft. Make America great again lower our life expectancy!
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Vaccines are the most questionable of these claims but have a demonstrable effect on deaths from the causes they address.

Statistics proved that seat belt use reduced auto accident fatalities BEFORE laws were passed to require them.

Various medications extends life... again a statistically provable claim.

That's the rub for me. I've done things more uncomfortable and burdensome than wear a mask. But I've been given good reasons to do so... usually involving statistical proof. My problem with the responses to Covid is that they've been MASSIVELY overdone... and poorly focused. The two "big" things they've done have NO science behind them- shutdowns and mass mask orders.

Our leaders on the advice of these supposed apolitical "experts" shut the country down for the express purpose of flattening the curve so our medical resources would not be overwhelmed. That decision was based on a model known to be flawed by the time the shutdown orders went into effect. In retrospect, no area experienced cases that overwhelmed their medical resources and only a few came close.... and there is no evidence those would have been worse without a shutdown. The problem just would have hit the whole country at the same time.

Instead of taking that UNNECESSARY action... we could have quarantined the elderly and high risk folks. The public SHOULD HAVE BEEN educated on the concept of viral load and how it occurs so that we could intelligently protect ourselves and others. If our focus had been on what could really make a difference rather than the divisive NON-SENSE pushed by supposed "experts"... we'd be much better off.

The biggest mystery though is the lack of any action plan for high transmission environments. Masks may or may not mitigate spread. But the longer someone is in a closed space with recycled air... the less that mask can help. Viral load builds in those environments- mass transit, apartments, hotels, offices, restaurants, bars, etc. I had bipolar ionization air filtration installed in our office areas. Their test case showed a 99.4% reduction in airborne Covid over 30 minutes. Why isn't something like that required for some of these businesses to reopen instead of making them mask police?

There is also an instant Covid test available. But they cannot produce and distribute it because there is no FDA pathway to get it approved. How crazy is that? You would literally be able to test yourself every two days and self-quarantine BEFORE you became contagious... but the "experts" somehow didn't think that was a worthy pursuit.

Then there's HCQ. I am not a doctor. But the results from other countries have been impressive enough for me to believe it should be allowed for doctors and patients who want to use it.


As for your last comment... as long as Dems support the slaughter of 700,000 unborn children every year... they have no moral authority to complain about lowered life expectancy.
 
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sjt18 said:
No matter what your opinion of the virus is... the narrative will change after the election. It isn't just Trump. For at least the last 5 Presidential elections, the media has created a narrative that hurt the GOP candidate that disappeared after the election.

Last time, they tried to play race. BLM seemed to everywhere... or at least on every newscast airing their grievances. That disappeared after the election only to make a sudden comeback this year. The story leading up to W's two races included "body bags". We were treated to constant daily body counts for American soldiers. After Obama won... those deaths didn't stop. The narrative did.
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So is Trump unable to recognize this or does he not care. He's spent trillions in response to Covid.

Is he dumb?

Trying to buy the election?

Or is he this concerned about Covid?

He's spending so much money, paying people more to not work, letting them skip out on rent and student loan payments...I halfway expect him to replace Pence with Bernie. It's massive socialism.
 
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MurphyVol said:
So is Trump unable to recognize this or does he not care. He's spent trillions in response to Covid.
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I will likely vote 3rd party. That's my disclaimer. I appreciate some of what Trump has done but cannot buy his "character" and trustworthiness.

But... Trump has listened to the supposed "experts".... His ability to stray from their recommendations is purely political and controlled by the media narrative. He's essentially in a trap. I'm not blaming the left or MSM for the virus... but they have definitely used it to hammer Trump.
Is he dumb?
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No. He is trying to navigate a VERY biased and hostile press and reopen the country. He's getting more resistance from governors who are far more responsible than he is for the "ground level" failures.

Trying to buy the election?
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That's an odd question.

Or is he this concerned about Covid?
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Certainly I think he's concerned about Covid. Most are on a human level. But there are undeniable political implications... and those have a MUCH higher priority for politicians and the MSM than the lives of people.

He's spending so much money, paying people more to not work, letting them skip out on rent and student loan payments...I halfway expect him to replace Pence with Bernie. It's massive socialism.
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I actually agree with that. I see so many fellow conservatives acting is if Trump is one of us. He is not. Never was.

But OTOH, what would have been the right answer? Say no and let people suffer then let the press and left demagogue? Remember, he's dealing with the people who once called a GOP proposal to reduce the INCREASE in welfare spending from 8% to 5% (twice inflation) a "draconian 38% cut that would force grandma to choose between medicine and food.

So in your opinion... what was the "winning move" once this narrative got out of control?
 
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sjt18 said:
I will likely vote 3rd party. That's my disclaimer. I appreciate some of what Trump has done but cannot buy his "character" and trustworthiness.

But... Trump has listened to the supposed "experts".... His ability to stray from their recommendations is purely political and controlled by the media narrative. He's essentially in a trap. I'm not blaming the left or MSM for the virus... but they have definitely used it to hammer Trump.
No. He is trying to navigate a VERY biased and hostile press and reopen the country. He's getting more resistance from governors who are far more responsible than he is for the "ground level" failures.

That's an odd question.

Certainly I think he's concerned about Covid. Most are on a human level. But there are undeniable political implications... and those have a MUCH higher priority for politicians and the MSM than the lives of people.


I actually agree with that. I see so many fellow conservatives acting is if Trump is one of us. He is not. Never was.

But OTOH, what would have been the right answer? Say no and let people suffer then let the press and left demagogue? Remember, he's dealing with the people who once called a GOP proposal to reduce the INCREASE in welfare spending from 8% to 5% (twice inflation) a "draconian 38% cut that would force grandma to choose between medicine and food.

So in your opinion... what was the "winning move" once this narrative got out of control?
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I don't know, I'm not a scientist. However, if Trump believes this is a hoax/overblown/politically motivated or something that would disappear I'd veto all this spending. Then you'd see states be forced to open up.
 
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OrangeVolMan said:
Why do people who run their mouth about not wearing masks think it makes them look smart or cool or manly or better than people who wear masks.
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Agreed. Everyone should just mind their own business and either wear a mask or don’t while not worrying about what other people do. Isn’t that one of the first lessons everyone learns?
 
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MWAVolfan said:
People who don't believe COVID is a big deal and don't believe in taking any kind of precaution themselves or people who think this is all a big political hoax designed to get Trump out of office.
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I believe the Virus is real and is dangerous to some people. But I don't think I'm a lunatic for also believing that it's been launched us, with partial intent to prevent Trump from being reelected.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
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So isnt the Jama study vs the german study one between Covid (jama) and not Covid (germany)? If that's the case I can see this getting different results, and that would cause concern if they are 2.5x the standard.

But if those are both Covid numbers then that does seem off as the author of the tweet says.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
People who don't believe COVID is a big deal and don't believe in taking any kind of precaution themselves or people who think this is all a big political hoax designed to get Trump out of office.
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So why the difference reaction to Covid-19 in 2020 as compared to H1N1 (Swine Flu) in 2009?
  • Covid-19; 4 million infected in the U.S.
  • H1N1; 60.8 million infected in the U.S.
There was no vaccine. 151,700 to 575,400 people died world wide. Zero panic. Zero over reaction.
 
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