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We got our first shipment of rapid tests yesterday, provided at no cost through a government program. Just ran my first damn one and it was positive.
 
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GSD82 said:
How trustworthy are those do you think
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The literature I reviewed prior to ordering showed an agreement rate with PCR confirmation around 95%. The sample size was a little small for my liking, though.

As with all tests, if it is used appropriately (on someone you suspect has a reasonable chance of actually having the illness), it is a more reliable result.
 
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No surprise - just shows how the media distorts reality.

U.S. Media Readers 'Strongly Prefer Negative Stories About COVID-19'

The tone of the coverage was only weakly correlated with the reality of the course of the pandemic: There were more than five times as many media articles about rising coronavirus case numbers as there were articles about decreasing coronavirus case numbers, even during the times when cases were actually declining.

The negative coverage was particularly pronounced with respect to two pandemic-related issues: vaccines and schools. On vaccine prospects, U.S. coverage "emphasized caveats from health officials and experts downplaying the optimistic timeline and past success" of vaccine scientists. Indeed, "the terms 'Trump and hydroxychloroquine' receive more coverage than do all stories about companies and researchers developing vaccines," according to the NBER.

Similarly, U.S. media overwhelmingly took a negative view of reopening schools, contrary to both the emerging scientific consensus—which has generally held that it is safe to reopen many schools—and the tone of coverage elsewhere.
 
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Re the different vaccines, cost, and storage, etc.

Why wouldn't you want all you could get? An extra $2 billion to save 3 months' time or so seems like an easy yes. I am willing to believe that it was based on practical realities, but it sure does seem that there may be something going on here between Trump administration and Pfizer that derailed that. Guess we will find out in time.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
The literature I reviewed prior to ordering showed an agreement rate with PCR confirmation around 95%. The sample size was a little small for my liking, though.

As with all tests, if it is used appropriately (on someone you suspect has a reasonable chance of actually having the illness), it is a more reliable result.
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So doc in your professional opinion, do you think you have C19?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Re the different vaccines, cost, and storage, etc.

Why wouldn't you want all you could get? An extra $2 billion to save 3 months' time or so seems like an easy yes. I am willing to believe that it was based on practical realities, but it sure does seem that there may be something going on here between Trump administration and Pfizer that derailed that. Guess we will find out in time.
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I doubt very seriously that we'll be short of vaccines come Spring
 
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volinbham said:
No surprise - just shows how the media distorts reality.

U.S. Media Readers 'Strongly Prefer Negative Stories About COVID-19'

The tone of the coverage was only weakly correlated with the reality of the course of the pandemic: There were more than five times as many media articles about rising coronavirus case numbers as there were articles about decreasing coronavirus case numbers, even during the times when cases were actually declining.

The negative coverage was particularly pronounced with respect to two pandemic-related issues: vaccines and schools. On vaccine prospects, U.S. coverage "emphasized caveats from health officials and experts downplaying the optimistic timeline and past success" of vaccine scientists. Indeed, "the terms 'Trump and hydroxychloroquine' receive more coverage than do all stories about companies and researchers developing vaccines," according to the NBER.

Similarly, U.S. media overwhelmingly took a negative view of reopening schools, contrary to both the emerging scientific consensus—which has generally held that it is safe to reopen many schools—and the tone of coverage elsewhere.
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These two issues are really quite aggravating. There has been data from other countries since May regarding the safety of returning to schools, but nearly all of the actual science was ignored. And the vaccine issue we’re about to really discover. There were so many questions during September and October (as it became clear vaccines were close) about the safety of a vaccine developed under Trump, that it’s going to significantly reduce people taking it, regardless of any amount of support by Fauci or even the new administration.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Maybe so. Maybe no.

We will find out. And by then Trump will be out of the picture and we can find out why we turned down those 100 million doses.
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We turned them down because we don’t need them. Young, healthy people (adults and children) won’t need a vaccine. Gen Xers like me who have had Covid have about 6 months worth of immunity and won’t need a vaccine immediately. The only people who should get a vaccine once they’re available are at-risk groups, medical workers and other people who work for employers that mandate a vaccine for their employees.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Maybe so. Maybe no.

We will find out. And by then Trump will be out of the picture and we can find out why we turned down those 100 million doses.
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We pre-bought 100s of millions of doses from many different companies as part of Operation Warp Speed and instead of giving kudos to that, you're hammering him for what he didn't buy. His foresight has been incredible on this. This is really weak on your part.

Let's look at some numbers here:

HHS announced up to $1.2 billion in support for AstraZeneca's candidate vaccine, developed in conjunction with the University of Oxford. The agreement is to make available at least 300 million doses of the vaccine for the United States,

HHS announced up to $1.95 billion in funds to Pfizer for the large-scale manufacturing and nationwide distribution of 100 million doses of their vaccine candidate.

Sanofi and GlaxoSmithKline's (GSK) investigational adjuvanted vaccine. By funding the manufacturing effort, the federal government will own the approximately 100 million doses expected to result from the demonstration project.


delivery of Johnson & Johnson's (Janssen) investigational vaccine candidate. Under the terms of the agreement, the U.S. Government will own the resulting 100 million doses of vaccine, and will have the option to acquire more. T

Moderna's investigational vaccine candidate. Under the terms of the agreement, the U.S. Government will own the resulting 100 million doses of vaccine, and will have the option to acquire more.
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Fact Sheet: Explaining Operation Warp Speed

Do the math. We have bought at least 700 million doses and that number does not include deals with Regeneron or Eli Lily. After all that you're coming on here complaining that Trump didn't buy 800 million. This is really weak sauce

The challenges here are more logistical such as staffing and setting up centers to administer this. The amount of vaccine won't be the limiting factor
 
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MG1968 said:
We turned them down because we don’t need them. Young, healthy people (adults and children) won’t need a vaccine. Gen Xers like me who have had Covid have about 6 months worth of immunity and won’t need a vaccine immediately. The only people who should get a vaccine once they’re available are at-risk groups, medical workers and other people who work for employers that mandate a vaccine for their employees.
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Clueless people think we need 350 million doses by Memorial Day. I'd be surprised if over 150 million people want to be immunized.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Re the different vaccines, cost, and storage, etc.

Why wouldn't you want all you could get? An extra $2 billion to save 3 months' time or so seems like an easy yes. I am willing to believe that it was based on practical realities, but it sure does seem that there may be something going on here between Trump administration and Pfizer that derailed that. Guess we will find out in time.
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Member when the US worrying about vaccinating its citizens first and hoarding doses was wrong?
Biden coronavirus adviser wants US to distribute vaccine globally before it's available to all Americans
I member.
 
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GSD82 said:
All a part of the democrats plans. I hope you all are happy with yourselves
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This is so sad. But it is part of the democrat program. The elite get richer, corporations take over everything, the middle class and small business owners go away. This is what Biden voters voted for.
 
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