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Rasputin_Vol said:
The answer is yes. The world will survive. There was no need to make such a big deal out of this. I may, however, give them a mulligan early on because I am of the opinion that Fauci and people up in that level believed that this may have been a bioweapon or leaked from Wuhan based on the February 2020 email leaks. I think that their original opinions were correct based on previous cold and flu seasons (meaning no need for masks or quarantines). But once they Wuhan leak possibility presented itself and started to become a likely possibility, they went into panic/CYA mode.

But now, they are just using this for control at this point.
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I think Fauci also overreacted due to his role in getting funding to Wuhan for gain of function research, which he tried to hide.
 
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Septic said:
If I were making a case, it'd be for the most at risk to get vaccinated or stfu about potential lockdowns, mask mandates etc.

We get it, you're scared of the vaccine. Just keep your yap shut when hospitals are filled up and local governments are forced to employ measures to keep our hospitals from being overwhelmed. Also, if the economy takes another hit due to lock downs, be sure to look in the mirror before bellyaching about it here. It's people like you who whine about the vax being 'untested' who are being admitted to hospitals and it's hard to have any sympathy.
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But it is essentially still going through trials right now. I'm not sure how you can deny that. That is why it is still on EUA and not FDA approved.
 
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luthervol said:
92% of COVID related hospitalizations are not vaccinated. That's the main CONTEXT.
Cases are on the rise, school is about to start, and policies and procedures are being reevaluated.
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Yes but overall numbers are way down from what they were.

Even if it is the unvaxxed 100%, they are using the hospital and dying at a far lower clip than they were before in January. And NOWHERE close to taxing the system.

That's the context that matters.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Simple. Lockdowns did a TON of damage and you can’t prove they helped a damn thing. Foist that.
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Lockdowns are the equal of going into the doctor to get stitches on your right hand and them amputating both your legs "just in case of gangrene."
 
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AshG said:
For those who aren't taking the vaccine because you don't want to participate in an experiment, your thought process didn't do what you thought. Congratulations, you're now in what is known as the "control group".

I'm not judging your choice, just pointing out the irony in that specific thought process.
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It's not just being in an experiment. Life is an experiment.

An experimental drug is far cry for being the control group.

I dont understand why people keep trying to misconstrue what is being said.
 
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LouderVol said:
Yes but overall numbers are way down from what they were.

Even if it is the unvaxxed 100%, they are using the hospital and dying at a far lower clip than they were before in January. And NOWHERE close to taxing the system.

That's the context that matters.
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It's the trend that is concerning to the people charged with making policy decisions.
 
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luthervol said:
It's the trend that is concerning to the people charged with making policy decisions.
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Some of the concern may be well founded. What is concerning is the complete lack of rational thought being put into some of these mandates. I've been in a couple of states and a territory in the past few weeks where people are flat out nutty.
 
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VolnJC said:
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So, what's your source for this confidential/preliminary data? It's contrary to what's been reported:

An Associated Press analysis of available government data from May shows that “breakthrough” infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 107,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations. That’s about 1.1%.
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Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated


July 16:

More than 99% of recent deaths were among the unvaccinated, infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said earlier this month on NBC's Meet the Press, while Walensky noted on Friday that unvaccinated people accounted for over 97% of hospitalizations.
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U.S. COVID Deaths Are Rising Again. Experts Call It A 'Pandemic Of The Unvaccinated'

However, the claim that over 99% of current COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths occur in unvaccinated people is accurate, according to preliminary CDC data and statements from its director.
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Unvaccinated individuals now account for the vast majority of COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths in the U.S., according to available data

Are we to believe that all this reporting are lies and your confidential report with no documentation is the truth?
 
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McDad said:
If you get some time, please read over the link i posted a few posts prior on this page. Would really like to get your take on it and ask some specific questions.
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Briefly:

- The percentages of hospitalized and (likely, eventually) deaths occurring in vaccinated people is going to go up significantly. This info is just lagging.
- These breakthrough infections are definitely NOT like what we see with all vaccines, as claimed by the article. They are due to a mutation in the spike protein, which is reducing vaccine efficacy.
- The fact that we are not counting or reporting the number of positive cases in vaccinated individuals in the U.S. is mind-numbingly stupid and inexcusable

I'll have more time later today if you have specific questions
 
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Sea Ray said:
So, what's your source for this confidential/preliminary data? It's contrary to what's been reported:




Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated


July 16:



U.S. COVID Deaths Are Rising Again. Experts Call It A 'Pandemic Of The Unvaccinated'



Unvaccinated individuals now account for the vast majority of COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths in the U.S., according to available data

Are we to believe that all this reporting are lies and your confidential report with no documentation is the truth?
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Those report are just breakthrough hospitalizations..

As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause.

Could be much higher, CDC not not tracking it...lkke they did with H1N1
 
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I had asked if the NYT article about the CDC contained any citations or links to the studies used and one was posted but it was about how the Moderna vaccine created antibodies in the upper respiratory system, not anything about Delta or transmissibility by vaccinated peeps

My comment was a reply to the poster.

That said, I did see a WaPo headline saying experts want to see the data and have heard rumblings that so far the studies used have not be publicly stated.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Briefly:

- The percentages of hospitalized and (likely, eventually) deaths occurring in vaccinated people is going to go up significantly. This info is just lagging.
- These breakthrough infections are definitely NOT like what we see with all vaccines, as claimed by the article. They are due to a mutation in the spike protein, which is reducing vaccine efficacy.
- The fact that we are not counting or reporting the number of positive cases in vaccinated individuals in the U.S. is mind-numbingly stupid and inexcusable

I'll have more time later today if you have specific questions
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The bold was what jumped off the article to me. Were it the case as presented in the article, I would question the ultimate benefit from all vaccinations.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Those report are just breakthrough hospitalizations..

As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause.

Could be much higher, CDC not not tracking it...lkke they did with H1N1
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That report mentioned deaths too
 
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so just spittballin' here but what's the likelihood that Delta is more resistant to the vaccines than we've been told?

had we been tracking breakthroughs that aren't hospitalized we'd have a better picture of this.

the problem with sharing that message is that it would conflict with the "get the jab" messaging

IOW, another case of telling us one thing to get us to do something rather than just presenting the science.

It also conflicts with the "pandemic of the unvaccinated" narrative.

I'm not endorsing this theory, just throwing it out.
 
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