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#103,126
The Original Fade said:
There are literally thousands of meds that have to be refrigerated before administering. Please tell me this is not new information to you
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I had the exact same reaction to her statement. I hate seeing the medical experts on this board advance a political agenda. And that's the only explanation I can come up with for some of the comments made by our resident doc and nurse.
 
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#103,127
#103,127
volinbham said:
how'd you get this number?

I'm showing a total of 7368 deaths in the age range of 30-39 and at total population in that group of 44,160,000. At the rawest level that's 1 out of 5993. Even if you take the vax rate for that age group (45%) it's 1 out of 3396. Since the vax # presented earlier was in decimal form this works out to .0003034 for an unvaxxed 30-39 year old dying from Covid. (7368/24288000)

I'm pro vax but these kind of comparisons are fraught with problems.

A healthy 35 year old has a very, very low chance of dying from Covid. It could be lowered (though we don't know by how much) by adding vaccination and/or having a prior infection.
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He’s using the CFR which is good I guess IF you actually contract it. I’m still not sure if the number is right though cause that’s equivalent to almost 20M cases in thr 30-39 age bracket. It could be true but I’d be shocked if 20M out of 35M total US cases come from one age bracket.

1/2700 = 0.00037 (0.037%) , 7368 deaths/0.00037 = 19.9M cases, 7368 deaths/19.9M cases = 0.00037 (0.037%)
 
#103,128
#103,128
SpaceCoastVol said:
LOL I have natural immunity. **** your vaccine. Does the fact that you decided to participate in a clinical trial give you a moral high ground for catching a different variant for which the 'vaccine' is ineffective? Oh I am sure it does in your mind.
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If you’ve had COVID (natural immunity) then the vaccine offers little additional immunity if any at all based on reinfection numbers compared to breakthrough infections. See? It’s possible to have a reasonable back and forth without being a jackwad
 
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#103,129
mad4vols said:
NIH director says he'll be surprised if U.S. doesn't hit 200,000 COVID-19 cases per day soon
NATIONAL INSTITUTES FOR HEALTH DIRECTOR FRANCIS COLLINS TOLD FOX NEWS' CHRIS WALLACE ON SUNDAY THAT HE'LL BE SURPRISED IF THE UNITED STATES DOESN'T BEGIN RECORDING 200,000 COVID-19 CASES PER DAY ONCE AGAIN IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. THE LATEST DELTA VARIANT-FUELED INCREASE IN CASES HAS SHOWN NO SIGNS OF SLOWING DOWN, HE SAID, MAKING 90 MILLION UNVACCINATED AMERICANS "SITTING DUCKS FOR THIS VIRUS."
"THAT'S HEARTBREAKING, CONSIDERING WE NEVER THOUGHT WE WOULD BE BACK IN THAT SPACE AGAIN. THAT WAS JANUARY, FEBRUARY," HE SAID, REFERRING TO THE LAST WAVE OF CASES JUST BEFORE THE U.S. RAMPED UP ITS VACCINE ROLLOUT. "THAT SHOULDN'T BE AUGUST. BUT HERE WE ARE."
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You would think eventually enough people will become infected, survive, and have natural immunity that the virus will die out
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
WTF do they call this roll out of EUA vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna? Aren't those not clinical trials, also?

I mean really, why do they seem to be OK with one set of trials with these injections, but seem to have no support for trials or data collected from other alternative therapeutics? It is like these guys are telling us on one hand that we are in a dire situation and all measures must be taken to protect ourselves... and then on the other hand saying, but you can only use these experimental injections, not those other experimental therapeutics. It looks shady as hell because they seem to be removing options off the table and not allowing more options to be made available.
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Venture to guess here but probably they saw the level of evidence behind the interim results of a well designed phase 3 double-blinded vaccine trial as higher than a bunch of biased underpowered ivermectin trials. Both guidelines go in-depth on why they gave the ivermectin recommendations. Though should point out guidelines are not written by the same people who approved the EUA for the vaccines or other therapeutics that have EUA like baricitinib or tocilizumab.
 
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#103,133
NurseGoodVol said:
I thought the same to, then I realized most of my cohorts were repeating the cdc mantra word for word. They can’t even explain the shot itself or what it does in their cells. 🙄
If you are ok with a shot looking at the history of failed first time experiments, I believe you should have the right to take it. I don’t have to worry about side effects down the road. Just like I don’t worry about flu vaccine side effects because I can’t take the shot, because the side effects for me are worse than getting flu.
I’m just tired of people putting me on blast when they find out I haven’t had the vax. My new response is I’ve had covid, then I give them the mommy stare. Go ahead, try to argue with me about my immunities and we’ll see how that goes.
I have outstanding ratios on my titres every time I’m tested for shots I received 35 years ago. I’m also tired of the portion of society that does have natural immunity being castigated for not getting the vaccine. God have us the best memory cells ever... so go kick rocks is what I feel like telling them.
The safety and efficacy of the vaccine is still being highly debated. How can one come to the conclusion it is safe with 8 months of data? We’ve seen myocarditis in young men, not safe.
Those touting the line its safe are sounding an awful lot like the daily wrap put out from the cdc. They have been known to be wrong before.
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There you go talking about your titres again!
 
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The Original Fade said:
You would think eventually enough people will become infected, survive, and have natural immunity that the virus will die out
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I don't think they ever really 'die out'. Actually there is debate about whether or not viruses are living organisms to begin with. Regardless, I don't think they are ever really eradicated. At least not in a year or two. I think it takes decades to do that.
 
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#103,135
The Original Fade said:
If you’ve had COVID (natural immunity) then the vaccine offers little additional immunity if any at all based on reinfection numbers compared to breakthrough infections. See? It’s possible to have a reasonable back and forth without being a jackwad
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I would be confident of my survival if I hadn't contracted ChinaFlu being that they are over 99%. For me, the 'vaccines' are too open ended with too many unanswered questions. Sorry, but the fear porn did not get me hooked. With all the breakthrough infections of those that have been vaccinated, I don't think you are getting your money's worth. But that's your decision to make. I'll wait for the long term data to start rolling in, and if ChinaFlu is still a thing in a few years, I might think about adding it to my annual flu shot. Until then, I plan on living my life as normally as the fear mongers will let me.
 
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ohhbother said:
I had the exact same reaction to her statement. I hate seeing the medical experts on this board advance a political agenda. And that's the only explanation I can come up with for some of the comments made by our resident doc and nurse.
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Refrigerated at well below zero temperatures?
 
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UT_VOLS13 said:
Fully vaccinated Southwest flight attendant dies from COVID-19
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See? So rare it's newsworthy.

And according to our resident medical commentators who don't actually work in medical fields, this individual had to be a fat, lazy, my sedentary person with multiple underlying issues for Covid to have had any effect anyway. It is, after all, a totally harmless virus that has only two possible outcomes regardless what the lying doctors and epidemiologists say.
 
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AshG said:
Yes, to keep the mRNA from breaking down prior to being injected into the body where it can be recognized. mRNA is fragile outside of the cell.
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I was referring to @ohhbother and the comment that other drugs are refrigerated. Are they also refrigerated at such ridiculously low temperatures?
 
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#103,140
AshG said:
See? So rare it's newsworthy.

And according to our resident medical commentators who don't actually work in medical fields, this individual had to be a fat, lazy, my sedentary person with multiple underlying issues for Covid to have had any effect anyway. It is, after all, a totally harmless virus that has only two possible outcomes regardless what the lying doctors and epidemiologists say.
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LOL Just like death from the actual Chinese Flu.
 
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#103,148
The Original Fade said:
So you’re equating paying a fine with going to jail? You just made my point
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I’m saying both are laws with penalties. You’re free to do anything in the world but actions in violation of the law have consequences whether a fine, jail, or something else. Those consequences are generally seen as an impediment to freedom even though technically a person is free to take those illegal actions. Generally speaking, laws are made for protection of the public so the question is does that protection outweigh the restricted freedom? Yeah, you’re technically free to kill someone but it’s illegal because the freedom to do so is not in the best interest of the public and this you will have a consequence, which is a restriction of freedom. The same is true of the health insurance mandate. The difference is there’s no obvious benefit to the general public from that law.
 
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