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#119,887
utvolpj said:
Yes as long as they're open about it.
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From my point of view, this mandate to get jabbed is a change in the agreement when these people were hired. I don't think any of these people expected to have to agree to a vaccine mandate upon hiring. Had that been the case, then I might (might) agree with your line of thinking. I think saying breach of contract would be a bit extreme, but it certainly represents a rules change in the middle of the game.
 
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#119,890
#119,890
hog88 said:
I opposed the covid vaxx mandates at any level, federal, state local or corporate but I support the right of business to set their employment policies.
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Mandating a vaccine to people that are already hired crosses a line. I'm sure in many of these professions outside of the medical field, there is no language in the hiring process or anything in the job description that mentions a mandatory jab or having to submit to a jab. If employers are going to hold the hiring documents over the head of their employees whenever it suits them, then the employees should be given the same leverage.

Now had these companies come out and said "from here on, any new hires will be required to get a jab", then I might (might) agree with you. But to change the terms of employment in the manner they went about it is corrupt and dirty as hell. Getting a jab is far different than changing a dress code policy, yet you all seem to equate the two.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
From my point of view, this mandate to get jabbed is a change in the agreement when these people were hired. I don't think any of these people expected to have to agree to a vaccine mandate upon hiring. Had that been the case, then I might (might) agree with your line of thinking. I think saying breach of contract would be a bit extreme, but it certainly represent s rules change in the middle of the game.
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Happens all the time. Where's the rule that can't happen? If you don't like the terms of employment then find something else
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Mandating a vaccine to people that are already hired crosses a line. I'm sure in many of these professions outside of the medical field, there is no language in the hiring process or anything in the job description that mentions a mandatory jab or having to submit to a jab. If employers are going to hold the hiring documents over the head of their employees whenever it suits them, then the employees should be given the same leverage.

Now had these companies come out and said "from here on, any new hires will be required to get a jab", then I might (might) agree with you. But to change the terms of employment in the manner they went about it is corrupt and dirty as hell. Getting a jab is far different than changing a dress code policy, yet you all seem to equate the two.
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Employees have that same leverage, they can walk out.

Companies change terms of employment all the time, from dress codes, required PPE, benefits ext. As an employee if you don't like it you can walk.
 
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hog88 said:
Employees have that same leverage, they can walk out.

Companies change terms of employment all the time, from dress codes, required PPE, benefits ext. As an employee if you don't like it you can walk.
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You're partially correct, union workers covered by a contract can't have anything changed or taken away with an agreement in place.
 
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#119,897
utvolpj said:
Happens all the time. Where's the rule that can't happen? If you don't like the terms of employment then find something else
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And that makes it right?

And usually, these changes in terms don't have anywhere near the same ramifications as a mandatory medical procedure. Usually, we're in the realm of dress code changes, changes in benefits, or changes in job duties.

Lastly, had this thing been allowed to roll the way they wanted it to go before the Supreme Court stepped in, then there would have been no alternatives (or very few) for many of these high specialized employees. Airline pilots and medical professionals, for example would have likely been in a situation where they would not have been able to continue their careers without getting the jab because there would not be any (or many) options available.
 
#119,900
#119,900
hog88 said:
Employees have that same leverage, they can walk out.

Companies change terms of employment all the time, from dress codes, required PPE, benefits ext. As an employee if you don't like it you can walk.
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Not even in the same ballpark as a mandatory medical procedure.
 
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