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[Jxn Vol]

Very few companies actually have a vax requirement for employment. Many had to prepare when the govt was floating the idea but never implemented it

Not the case in healthcare. The government screwed that industry up so bad. Don’t complain about high healthcare costs in the future

 

[utvolpj]

Not the case in healthcare. The government screwed that industry up so bad. Don’t complain about high healthcare costs in the future

Oh yeah, now they're going to be called high

 

[Jxn Vol]

Yes as I've said many times. I'm all for transparency in the market

It doesn’t matter how many times you say it. You can’t discriminate on race and gender.

 

[utvolpj]

It doesn’t matter how many times you say it. You can’t discriminate on race and gender.

I understand and when asked i have repeatedly said I believe you should be able to. I'm not discussing current law. How is this so confusing for you?

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

Very few companies actually have a vax requirement for employment. Many had to prepare when the govt was floating the idea but never implemented it

Depending on the state you are in. Hospitals were one of the worst. SIL faught saint thomas in Nashville for a couple of months with a religious exemption. First denied then approved.

Companies headquartered in blue states would be more out to have a requirement.

 

[McDad]

Not the case in healthcare. The government screwed that industry up so bad. Don’t complain about high healthcare costs in the future

Our nearest major hospital is offering nurses 50k sign on bonus with successful completion of a minimum 2 year contract.
Idk if vax demands forced nurses out but many left the occupation.

 

[HammondB3Vol]

Considering you arent required to work at specific locations you dont have an argument. You arent required to work at all. Especially during Covid where the government doubled unemployment payments.

I remain unvaxxed my last job pushed, and I said no. They kept pushing and I said I would quit. They stopped pushing.

When I got my new job in inquired about their history with the vax. They never had a requirement but did encourage it. Never asked my status.

So requiring a medical procedure that is a permanent alteration of your immune system is ok as a condition of employment? I think that’s an absurd argument whether it’s legal or not.

 

[hog88]

So you would be in favor of any requirement an employer might mandate to an employee?

How did you get that from his post?

There is a difference in opposing a specific condition of employment and still supporting the right of the employer to have that condition in it's policy.

 

[Jxn Vol]

I understand and when asked i have repeatedly said I believe you should be able to. I'm not discussing current law. How is this so confusing for you?

It’s not confusing. You want to be able to discriminate based on anything. But the current laws prevent you from being able to do that. And you want to be able to use that same government law to be open to allow you to be able to discriminate based on shot status. Not confusing at all.

 

[utvolpj]

So requiring a medical procedure that is a permanent alteration of your immune system is ok as a condition of employment? I think that’s an absurd argument whether it’s legal or not.

If its ok for kindergarten...

 

[hog88]

It’s kinda entertaining to watch some people trying to defend a position that was backed by “science “ , when shown that “science “ was inaccurate, shift the argument to “well employers have the right “. No one has a right to require someone else to permanently alter their own immune system for employment.

True and no employer can force that shot into your arm.

 

[Jxn Vol]

If its ok for kindergarten...

Long term safety data. That is something you can’t leave out. Try again

 

[utvolpj]

Long term safety data. That is something you can’t leave out. Try again

That wasn't in his post. Details matter

 

[hog88]

It doesn’t matter how many times you say it. You can’t discriminate on race and gender.

No but you should be able to.

 

[HammondB3Vol]

How did you get that from his post?

There is a difference in opposing a specific condition of employment and still supporting the right of the employer to have that condition in it's policy.

What’s the difference in your opinion?

 

[Jxn Vol]

That wasn't in his post. Details matter

The shots for kindergarten all have long term safety data. That is THE detail. Try again

 

[LouderVol]

So requiring a medical procedure that is a permanent alteration of your immune system is ok as a condition of employment? I think that’s an absurd argument whether it’s legal or not.

If the person agrees to it.

I am completely against the vax. But if it was down to me getting the vax or not getting some life saving treatment I am probably getting the vax. Or donating a kidney to my son.

You pick your own battles. Some people wanted the vax. Some didnt. Both are ok. Some were ok with getting the vax under certain circumstances, others arent that's ok. But it comes down to a personal choice based on your own circumstances. Some top down one size fits all response is never good.

 

[Jxn Vol]

No but you should be able to.

But you can’t. Sorry. And using this same logic you shouldn’t be able to discriminate on experimental shot status. Sorry

 

[utvolpj]

So requiring a medical procedure that is a permanent alteration of your immune system is ok as a condition of employment? I think that’s an absurd argument whether it’s legal or not.

The shots for kindergarten all have long term safety data. That is THE detail. Try again

Quoted it again for you. No mention of long term safety data that you're now trying to inject

 

[hog88]

What’s the difference in your opinion?

I opposed the covid vaxx mandates at any level, federal, state local or corporate but I support the right of business to set their employment policies.

 

[HammondB3Vol]

If the person agrees to it.

I am completely against the vax. But if it was down to me getting the vax or not getting some life saving treatment I am probably getting the vax. Or donating a kidney to my son.

You pick your own battles. Some people wanted the vax. Some didnt. Both are ok. Some were ok with getting the vax under certain circumstances, others arent that's ok. But it comes down to a personal choice based on your own circumstances. Some top down one size fits all response is never good.

Very reasonable position. I agree.

 

[utvolpj]

But you can’t. Sorry. And using this same logic you shouldn’t be able to discriminate on experimental shot status. Sorry

Race and gender are not something you can walk away from. No one is forced to get a needle in their arm

 

[Jxn Vol]

Quoted it again for you. No mention of long term safety data that you're now trying to inject

You are the one that brought up kindergarten

 

[HammondB3Vol]

I opposed the covid vaxx mandates at any level, federal, state local or corporate but I support the right of business to set their employment policies.

So you think it’s a stupid policy, but you support their right to be stupid?

 

[allvol123]

It doesn’t matter how many times you say it. You can’t discriminate on race and gender.

But should be able to.