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Cochrane Review now backing off their findings:

“Many commentators have claimed that a recently updated Cochrane review shows that ‘masks don’t work,’ which is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation,” Karla Soares-Weiser, the editor in chief of the Cochrane Library, said in a statement.

“The review examined whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses,” Soares-Weiser said, adding, “Given the limitations in the primary evidence, the review is not able to address the question of whether mask wearing itself reduces people’s risk of contracting or spreading respiratory viruses.”
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Opinion | Here’s Why the Science Is Clear That Masks Work

What the hell is going on here?
 
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Sea Ray said:
Cochrane Review now backing off their findings:



Opinion | Here’s Why the Science Is Clear That Masks Work

What the hell is going on here?
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Cochrane basically says there’s no conclusive evidence one way or the other, and that it needs to be studied more rigorously. The problem is that our public health/mainstream media has taken that to mean…you just have to mask better and they help, so let’s keep masking. But in reality, studies on treatments without certain effect, ie “inconclusive,” usually recommend AGAINST continuing that treatment until further studies can be done. Interestingly, as I learned from Vinay Prasad Substack, invermectin use studies and community masking studies have similarly poor confidence intervals. This means that NEITHER has actually been shown to be effective across the population and shouldn’t be recommended. That’s the norm.

However, we’ve been told just the opposite. The fact that there’s inconclusive data on the horse paste means you shouldn’t take it (which is fine by me, as that is how medical treatments are recommended). However, somehow with masks, inconclusive data says keep doing it, and in fact, you need to do it more and better!! In three years we’ve gone from:
1) you don’t need to wear a mask (based on actual previous data)
2) wear some kind of cloth face covering (we only said #1 to save supplies for medical people). (As an aside, I remember standing in line at a convenience store behind a guy with a neck gaiter on. I forgot my mask. Had t-shirt pulled over my nose and mouth. They wouldn’t serve me because I didn’t have a proper face covering)
3) you need to wear masks outside
4) cloth and homemade masks actually don’t work. You should wear a surgical mask or a KN/N-95
5) you don’t actually have to wear masks outside
5) But, you should wear two masks inside
6) actually, one is fine. But it should be a “well fitting” surgical mask or KN/N-95. (Another aside….did anyone ever tell American men that having a beard precludes having a “well-fitting mask?”)
7) studies have not shown conclusively that masking for three years did anything. But that’s not because masks don’t work. It’s because people don’t use them correctly.

Meanwhile, our government health agencies STILL haven’t performed one randomized trial on masking. They just keep pushing out crappy non-peer reviewed observational studies loaded with bias so they can make a nice cartoon drawn social media post about how well masks work.
 
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Cochrane basically says there’s no conclusive evidence one way or the other, and that it needs to be studied more rigorously. The problem is that our public health/mainstream media has taken that to mean…you just have to mask better and they help, so let’s keep masking. But in reality, studies on treatments without certain effect, ie “inconclusive,” usually recommend AGAINST continuing that treatment until further studies can be done. Interestingly, as I learned from Vinay Prasad Substack, invermectin use studies and community masking studies have similarly poor confidence intervals. This means that NEITHER has actually been shown to be effective across the population and shouldn’t be recommended. That’s the norm.

However, we’ve been told just the opposite. The fact that there’s inconclusive data on the horse paste means you shouldn’t take it (which is fine by me, as that is how medical treatments are recommended). However, somehow with masks, inconclusive data says keep doing it, and in fact, you need to do it more and better!! In three years we’ve gone from:
1) you don’t need to wear a mask (based on actual previous data)
2) wear some kind of cloth face covering (we only said #1 to save supplies for medical people). (As an aside, I remember standing in line at a convenience store behind a guy with a neck gaiter on. I forgot my mask. Had t-shirt pulled over my nose and mouth. They wouldn’t serve me because I didn’t have a proper face covering)
3) you need to wear masks outside
4) cloth and homemade masks actually don’t work. You should wear a surgical mask or a KN/N-95
5) you don’t actually have to wear masks outside
5) But, you should wear two masks inside
6) actually, one is fine. But it should be a “well fitting” surgical mask or KN/N-95. (Another aside….did anyone ever tell American men that having a beard precludes having a “well-fitting mask?”)
7) studies have not shown conclusively that masking for three years did anything. But that’s not because masks don’t work. It’s because people don’t use them correctly.

Meanwhile, our government health agencies STILL haven’t performed one randomized trial on masking. They just keep pushing out crappy non-peer reviewed observational studies loaded with bias so they can make a nice cartoon drawn social media post about how well masks work.
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Also, something can work in a lab and not in reality. And both are “science.”

Sticking a perfectly well fitting mask on a mannequin in chamber for 30min will show that masks “work.”

But in reality, if different types of masks worn by millions of humans in all types of situations don’t show any conclusive improvement in transmission or spread, then masks don’t work.

Both can be true.
 
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This was in the Cochrane report and it appears now that they've been pressured to back off of it:

The pooled results of RCTs did not show a clear reduction in respiratory viral infection with the use of medical/surgical masks. There were no clear differences between the use of medical/surgical masks compared with N95/P2 respirators in healthcare workers when used in routine care to reduce respiratory viral infection.
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newyorkvol said:
Cochrane basically says there’s no conclusive evidence one way or the other, and that it needs to be studied more rigorously. The problem is that our public health/mainstream media has taken that to mean…you just have to mask better and they help, so let’s keep masking. But in reality, studies on treatments without certain effect, ie “inconclusive,” usually recommend AGAINST continuing that treatment until further studies can be done. Interestingly, as I learned from Vinay Prasad Substack, invermectin use studies and community masking studies have similarly poor confidence intervals. This means that NEITHER has actually been shown to be effective across the population and shouldn’t be recommended. That’s the norm.

However, we’ve been told just the opposite. The fact that there’s inconclusive data on the horse paste means you shouldn’t take it (which is fine by me, as that is how medical treatments are recommended). However, somehow with masks, inconclusive data says keep doing it, and in fact, you need to do it more and better!! In three years we’ve gone from:
1) you don’t need to wear a mask (based on actual previous data)
2) wear some kind of cloth face covering (we only said #1 to save supplies for medical people). (As an aside, I remember standing in line at a convenience store behind a guy with a neck gaiter on. I forgot my mask. Had t-shirt pulled over my nose and mouth. They wouldn’t serve me because I didn’t have a proper face covering)
3) you need to wear masks outside
4) cloth and homemade masks actually don’t work. You should wear a surgical mask or a KN/N-95
5) you don’t actually have to wear masks outside
5) But, you should wear two masks inside
6) actually, one is fine. But it should be a “well fitting” surgical mask or KN/N-95. (Another aside….did anyone ever tell American men that having a beard precludes having a “well-fitting mask?”)
7) studies have not shown conclusively that masking for three years did anything. But that’s not because masks don’t work. It’s because people don’t use them correctly.

Meanwhile, our government health agencies STILL haven’t performed one randomized trial on masking. They just keep pushing out crappy non-peer reviewed observational studies loaded with bias so they can make a nice cartoon drawn social media post about how well masks work.
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The best mask commentary I've read basically said that at the individual level masks were effective, but at a community level they were not effective. That makes perfect sense. The correct mask worn properly could work for an individual; however, overall people didn't mask properly or consistently, so the result overall was failure or inconclusive at best. Put a lot of blame on lack of communication. Nobody sold the public on the idea, nobody really explained fit and function, and proper masks were not readily available and inexpensive. Unless you've had CBR training like the military and nuclear industry do, people likely won't fit masks properly or appreciate the difference in filtering media. The CDC and other government agencies were utterly incompetent, unprepared, and total failures; a complete waste of tax dollars.
 
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The best mask commentary I've read basically said that at the individual level masks were effective, but at a community level they were not effective. That makes perfect sense. The correct mask worn properly could work for an individual; however, overall people didn't mask properly or consistently, so the result overall was failure or inconclusive at best. Put a lot of blame on lack of communication. Nobody sold the public on the idea, nobody really explained fit and function, and proper masks were not readily available and inexpensive. Unless you've had CBR training like the military and nuclear industry do, people likely won't fit masks properly or appreciate the difference in filtering media. The CDC and other government agencies were utterly incompetent, unprepared, and total failures; a complete waste of tax dollars.
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Maybe is this schmuck had actually stuck to the “science” like he did initially in March 2020 we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.

 
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