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[Rasputin_Vol]

He’s colonized.

???

Explain "colonized".

Also, how do we know it is just one person? How do we know it is a man?

 

[luthervol]

@luthervol

We were discussing the word “rot” the other day. It’s still probably too strong a word.

You were a 30+ year educator, and I am sincerely interested in your thoughts as this is your area of expertise.

Do you have any you’re willing to share on Randi Weingarten? Not asking you to defend or condemn. Genuinely just curious as to your honest opinion.

I think we have to remember that COVID was a great unknown. No one had anything even remotely close to a full picture and complete understanding. The safety of the students had to be the top priority. The safety of teachers and other school employees was a very distant second. I do believe that Trump's vilification of public education and his appointment of DeVos (a person who's goal was to destroy public education) as Sec. of Education had created a horrible relationship between educators and his administration. We also need to remember that this was world wide. It wasn't only impacting schools in America. To have a once in a lifetime global pandemic coincide with an administration that created the lowest level of trust and respect between public education and the administration was a recipe for disaster.
Personally, I was very happy with the way GA and my district handled that year and a half.

I'm also curious as to what motivations are attributed to her for wanting to keep schools closed. Everyone I knew in education was wanting to get back as soon as possible and were thrilled that we were able to start the 20/21 school year in a somewhat normal way.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

???

Explain "colonized".

Also, how do we know it is just one person? How do we know it is a man?

The bacteria or virus has found a host that’ll carry it but it is a sub clinical and not detrimental to the host at the time.
Colonization turns bad when the host is weakened, the host becomes infected and becomes clinical with symptoms.
We have no idea how many people are walking around colonized by anything until they become symptomatic.
Very simplistic explanation of a complicated subject. Just know in public you shouldn’t touch your face until you’ve washed your hands thoroughly.
I defer to unknown people as he. Just like my car is a she.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I think we have to remember that COVID was a great unknown. No one had anything even remotely close to a full picture and complete understanding.

Complete understanding? No. But there was plenty of data from overseas that CLEARLY demonstrated that kids were not at risk.

I took all kinds of s**t on here from people (likely including you) for insisting that we were going to do all kinds of harm by closing schools, telling people to stay home, and shuttering businesses.

There were decades of research CLEARLY demonstrating that cloth and surgical masks are of no utility when dealing with respiratory viruses. Yet, there are still people running around in face panties (except when they are smoking or eating with their hands).

There was plenty of experience demonstrating that natural infection offers the same or better immunity after respiratory viral infections, and there were simple laboratory tests to prove seroconversion. Yet, people were fired for refusing to take an experimental shot (which has, indeed, proven to have significant risks), even if they had already been infected by CV19 (many of which were the "heroes" who provided care for the ill during the first year of the pandemic.

We were told that it was a conspiracy and racist to suggest that the Wuhan Coronavirus research lab was the origin of the virus and that it was engineered. Don't even get me started there.

So, spare me the BS. Every one of you: you reap what you sow.

We will never forget.

 

[ButchPlz]

Complete understanding? No. But there was plenty of data from overseas that CLEARLY demonstrated that kids were not at risk.

I took all kinds of s**t on here from people (likely including you) for insisting that we were going to do all kinds of harm by closing schools, telling people to stay home, and shuttering businesses.

There were decades of research CLEARLY demonstrating that cloth and surgical masks are of no utility when dealing with respiratory viruses. Yet, there are still people running around in face panties (except when they are smoking or eating with their hands).

There was plenty of experience demonstrating that natural infection offers the same or better immunity after respiratory viral infections, and there were simple laboratory tests to prove seroconversion. Yet, people were fired for refusing to take an experimental shot (which has, indeed, proven to have significant risks), even if they had already been infected by CV19 (many of which were the "heroes" who provided care for the ill during the first year of the pandemic.

We were told that it was a conspiracy and racist to suggest that the Wuhan Coronavirus research lab was the origin of the virus and that it was engineered. Don't even get me started there.

So, spare me the BS. Every one of you: you reap what you sow.

We will never forget.

The "Great Unknown" argument is total ********, as if COVID were somehow magically behaving totally differently than literally any other respiratory illness. We had whackjobs telling us it would never weaken, either.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I think we have to remember that COVID was a great unknown. No one had anything even remotely close to a full picture and complete understanding. The safety of the students had to be the top priority. The safety of teachers and other school employees was a very distant second. I do believe that Trump's vilification of public education and his appointment of DeVos (a person who's goal was to destroy public education) as Sec. of Education had created a horrible relationship between educators and his administration. We also need to remember that this was world wide. It wasn't only impacting schools in America. To have a once in a lifetime global pandemic coincide with an administration that created the lowest level of trust and respect between public education and the administration was a recipe for disaster.
Personally, I was very happy with the way GA and my district handled that year and a half.

I'm also curious as to what motivations are attributed to her for wanting to keep schools closed. Everyone I knew in education was wanting to get back as soon as possible and were thrilled that we were able to start the 20/21 school year in a somewhat normal way.

The department of Education needs to be shut down. Period.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Complete understanding? No. But there was plenty of data from overseas that CLEARLY demonstrated that kids were not at risk.

I took all kinds of s**t on here from people (likely including you) for insisting that we were going to do all kinds of harm by closing schools, telling people to stay home, and shuttering businesses.

There were decades of research CLEARLY demonstrating that cloth and surgical masks are of no utility when dealing with respiratory viruses. Yet, there are still people running around in face panties (except when they are smoking or eating with their hands).

There was plenty of experience demonstrating that natural infection offers the same or better immunity after respiratory viral infections, and there were simple laboratory tests to prove seroconversion. Yet, people were fired for refusing to take an experimental shot (which has, indeed, proven to have significant risks), even if they had already been infected by CV19 (many of which were the "heroes" who provided care for the ill during the first year of the pandemic.

We were told that it was a conspiracy and racist to suggest that the Wuhan Coronavirus research lab was the origin of the virus and that it was engineered. Don't even get me started there.

So, spare me the BS. Every one of you: you reap what you sow.

We will never forget.

I think those people deserve amnesty and forgiveness. After all, they didn't know when they were trying to shove you in a boxcar and lock you in your house.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I think those people deserve amnesty and forgiveness. After all, they didn't know when they were trying to shove you in a boxcar and lock you in your house.

Don't forget take my medical license, which I use to TAKE CARE OF FRICKING CHILDREN (except for that nutjob's that told me he or she would never let someone like me see his/her/they/their grandkids).

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Don't forget take my medical license, which I use to TAKE CARE OF FRICKING CHILDREN (except for that nutjob's that told me he or she would never let someone like me see his/her/they/their grandkids).

You should have worked out of Walmart or Home Depot. That way you would have been 'essential'

 

[kiddiedoc]

You should have worked out of Walmart or Home Depot. That way you would have been 'essential'

Oh, I never missed a day of work (other than my mandatory quarantine with my first CV infection). Kept everyone employed and every kid cared for. What an a-hole I was.

 

[hog88]

I think we have to remember that COVID was a great unknown. No one had anything even remotely close to a full picture and complete understanding. The safety of the students had to be the top priority. The safety of teachers and other school employees was a very distant second. I do believe that Trump's vilification of public education and his appointment of DeVos (a person who's goal was to destroy public education) as Sec. of Education had created a horrible relationship between educators and his administration. We also need to remember that this was world wide. It wasn't only impacting schools in America. To have a once in a lifetime global pandemic coincide with an administration that created the lowest level of trust and respect between public education and the administration was a recipe for disaster.
Personally, I was very happy with the way GA and my district handled that year and a half.

I'm also curious as to what motivations are attributed to her for wanting to keep schools closed. Everyone I knew in education was wanting to get back as soon as possible and were thrilled that we were able to start the 20/21 school year in a somewhat normal way.

You are eat up with the dumb. Betsy Devos and the DOE did not close schools or set any of the Covid policies as far as remote or in person learning. That was all done at the state and local level.

 

[luthervol]

Complete understanding? No. But there was plenty of data from overseas that CLEARLY demonstrated that kids were not at risk.

I took all kinds of s**t on here from people (likely including you) for insisting that we were going to do all kinds of harm by closing schools, telling people to stay home, and shuttering businesses.

There were decades of research CLEARLY demonstrating that cloth and surgical masks are of no utility when dealing with respiratory viruses. Yet, there are still people running around in face panties (except when they are smoking or eating with their hands).

There was plenty of experience demonstrating that natural infection offers the same or better immunity after respiratory viral infections, and there were simple laboratory tests to prove seroconversion. Yet, people were fired for refusing to take an experimental shot (which has, indeed, proven to have significant risks), even if they had already been infected by CV19 (many of which were the "heroes" who provided care for the ill during the first year of the pandemic.

We were told that it was a conspiracy and racist to suggest that the Wuhan Coronavirus research lab was the origin of the virus and that it was engineered. Don't even get me started there.

So, spare me the BS. Every one of you: you reap what you sow.

We will never forget.

Your last two sentences seem pretty unnecessary.

Everyone can identify the multiple sources of BS they personally encountered. People always eventually reap what the sow.
And I'm pretty sure no one will ever forget.

 

[luthervol]

The department of Education needs to be shut down. Period.

States need to function appropriately.....period.
I'm not sure either will ever happen, but it sure would be fantastic if both did.

 

[luthervol]

You are eat up with the dumb. Betsy Devos and the DOE did not close schools or set any of the Covid policies as far as remote or in person learning. That was all done at the state and local level.

Did I say she did?
Please learn to read with comprehension.

My point, which is incontrovertible, is that Trump (the executive branch) knowingly created a horrible relationship with public education at the national, state and local levels.

The lack of respect and trust that Trump created had negative and unintended consequences during the pandemic.
It's one of the many things that made the Trump presidency so horrible and dangerous.
Something you guys never seemed capable of processing. (fortunately, some seem to finally be opening their eyes - and mind)

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Complete understanding? No. But there was plenty of data from overseas that CLEARLY demonstrated that kids were not at risk.

I took all kinds of s**t on here from people (likely including you) for insisting that we were going to do all kinds of harm by closing schools, telling people to stay home, and shuttering businesses.

There were decades of research CLEARLY demonstrating that cloth and surgical masks are of no utility when dealing with respiratory viruses. Yet, there are still people running around in face panties (except when they are smoking or eating with their hands).

There was plenty of experience demonstrating that natural infection offers the same or better immunity after respiratory viral infections, and there were simple laboratory tests to prove seroconversion. Yet, people were fired for refusing to take an experimental shot (which has, indeed, proven to have significant risks), even if they had already been infected by CV19 (many of which were the "heroes" who provided care for the ill during the first year of the pandemic.

We were told that it was a conspiracy and racist to suggest that the Wuhan Coronavirus research lab was the origin of the virus and that it was engineered. Don't even get me started there.

So, spare me the BS. Every one of you: you reap what you sow.

We will never forget.

I’m seeing a doctor with my level of well deserved venom for what was forced upon everyone. Well spoken too.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

States need to function appropriately.....period.
I'm not sure either will ever happen, but it sure would be fantastic if both did.

So neither does, and we are stuck in mediocrity. We were doing better before the .gov started the DOE, and that is a fact even you can't deny.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Did I say she did?
Please learn to read with comprehension.

My point, which is incontrovertible, is that Trump (the executive branch) knowingly created a horrible relationship with public education at the national, state and local levels.

The lack of respect and trust that Trump created had negative and unintended consequences during the pandemic.
It's one of the many things that made the Trump presidency so horrible and dangerous.
Something you guys never seemed capable of processing. (fortunately, some seem to finally be opening their eyes - and mind)

I hate to break this to you but long before Devos the DOE was making mistakes with education. She got a seat at the table because of who she was. Not her overwhelming love and affection for children and their future. The expression the dumbing down of America holds weight in truth and the educational process is a huge part of that. It’s been happening for 50 years which blows out your blame game.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

The "Great Unknown" argument is total ********, as if COVID were somehow magically behaving totally differently than literally any other respiratory illness. We had whackjobs telling us it would never weaken, either.

There are still people pushing the masking narrative where I work. It’s painful.
I read code blue. The history of interwoven corporations and gov lining their pockets at the expense of human beings disgusts me.

The Xigris study I participated in 15 years ago was evident that if we used this drug any further our patients were going to bleed to death. I was not a fan and neither were the physicians.

He only lightly touched on education starting at a young age. While I see that’s not why he wrote the book several of his solutions would depend heavily on people actually GAS about themselves and their children’s health.
I work with a population that his solutions wouldn’t touch. I feel like he was writing from a perspective of never servicing that population.

 

[luthervol]

So neither does, and we are stuck in mediocrity. We were doing better before the .gov started the DOE, and that is a fact even you can't deny.

Exactly who was doing better? Because some were and some weren't - which is kind of the point.

 

[85SugarVol]

I think we have to remember that COVID was a great unknown. No one had anything even remotely close to a full picture and complete understanding. The safety of the students had to be the top priority. The safety of teachers and other school employees was a very distant second. I do believe that Trump's vilification of public education and his appointment of DeVos (a person who's goal was to destroy public education) as Sec. of Education had created a horrible relationship between educators and his administration. We also need to remember that this was world wide. It wasn't only impacting schools in America. To have a once in a lifetime global pandemic coincide with an administration that created the lowest level of trust and respect between public education and the administration was a recipe for disaster.
Personally, I was very happy with the way GA and my district handled that year and a half.

I'm also curious as to what motivations are attributed to her for wanting to keep schools closed. Everyone I knew in education was wanting to get back as soon as possible and were thrilled that we were able to start the 20/21 school year in a somewhat normal way.

There was a lot of confusion at the very beginning. The very very early beginning.

I was, admittedly, one of those championing “2 weeks to flatten the curve”. I could not comprehend the pushback to that. I simply couldn’t see.

And I will point out for the thread that you were one of the first to come out and say it had gone too far, and some of the actions being forced were wrong.

But that’s another discussion.

I was more interested in your thoughts specifically on Randi Weingarten and her leadership. Her role in all of this representing the Teachers.

 

[luthervol]

I hate to break this to you but long before Devos the DOE was making mistakes with education. She got a seat at the table because of who she was. Not her overwhelming love and affection for children and their future. The expression the dumbing down of America holds weight in truth and the educational process is a huge part of that. It’s been happening for 50 years which blows out your blame game.

You're not really breaking anything to me. I do appreciate the truth of your statement: "She got a seat at the table because of who she was. Not her overwhelming love and affection for children and their future."

Part of the reason she was put there was because she hated the Dept of Education and public education, and everyone knew it. Not the best recipe for success.

 

[luthervol]

There was a lot of confusion at the very beginning. The very very early beginning.

I was, admittedly, one of those championing “2 weeks to flatten the curve”. I could not comprehend the pushback to that. I simply couldn’t see.

And I will point out for the thread that you were one of the first to come out and say it had gone too far, and some of the actions being forced were wrong.

But that’s another discussion.

I was more interested in your thoughts specifically on Randi Weingarten and her leadership. Her role in all of this representing the Teachers.

She doesn't really represent the teachers. She represents the teacher's union. I do not know what her motives were. If she had the safety of students and teachers as her driving force, then good for her; I may disagree with her recommendations, but not her motivations. To the extent she was playing a political game, shame on her and the people she was playing against. The politicization of COVID was sickening, on both sides, and I have nothing but disdain for anyone who let politics trump their common sense and compassion.

However, there was still a great deal of confusion well into the 20/21 school year. My son was going into his senior year and football was a huge part of his high school life. It looked as if the season may be cancelled all the way into August (but they kept practicing and nervously hoping for the best). School started with many adjustments, (half the students coming each day). The football season was played but attendance was very limited; which I personally found to be stupid and voiced that opinion at every level. (my son was all region, all state honorable mention, his team won the region, and lost a last second heartbreaker in the quarter finals). Things continued to return to normal as the school year progressed. All students returned to a daily schedule. My son was also on the basketball team and attendance was restricted to two people per player in our district (masks had to be worn). We played out of district games where there were no restrictions and the gym was packed and almost no one wore masks. We had other games scheduled with teams from districts that cancelled their entire season. It was nuts - and my personal stance was always that we were being overly cautious restrictive.

Side note: My daughter ended her GT college experience at home, on line, away from friends, and had her 2020 spring college graduation cancelled. She entered the job market at the peak of COVID hysteria.

It sucked for everybody. My stance was always, let's just carry on as normal with a few added precautions and see what happens. But I understood the perspectives of those wishing to be more cautious.

As far as states go, I give GA an A.
As far as counties within GA go, I give our county an A.
So I and my family were pretty lucky by comparison, but it still sucked.

 

[hog88]

Did I say she did?
Please learn to read with comprehension.

My point, which is incontrovertible, is that Trump (the executive branch) knowingly created a horrible relationship with public education at the national, state and local levels.

The lack of respect and trust that Trump created had negative and unintended consequences during the pandemic.
It's one of the many things that made the Trump presidency so horrible and dangerous.
Something you guys never seemed capable of processing. (fortunately, some seem to finally be opening their eyes - and mind)

The relationship between local/state school systems and the DOE had nothing to do with the decisions made on closing and when they reopened.

 

[luthervol]

The relationship between local/state school systems and the DOE had nothing to do with the decisions made on closing and when they reopened.

The relationship between public education and the Trump administration most definitely did. 100% (DeVos was a part of that)

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Exactly who was doing better? Because some were and some weren't - which is kind of the point.

Ahhh. The old equity vs equality argument.