Legitimate Rape?

#51
#51
PKT_VOL said:
I was just answering his question. Sorry for the confusion.
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No problem.

It looks like Akin has dug in and not leaving.

The only way he leaves now is to come into a large amount of money in the next 2 hours.
 
#53
#53
Politicians are so predictable

McCaskill, who is trailing Akin in the polls, said that Republican leaders should not be trying to overturn the results of the Republican primary that made Akin their candidate.
"Elections are sacred," McCaskill told St. Louis Fox affiliate KTVS. "There was an election, so I think the voters of Missouri should be respected, not have some big-wig, fancy people from Washington come in here and threaten him that he's got to drop out."
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#58
#58
Bad Religion lyrics come in pretty handy today... (Don't Pray on Me)

"A bitter debate and a feminine fate lie in tandem like two precious babes. While the former gets warmer it's the latter that matters except on the nation's airwaves. And custodians of public opinion state fact after vainly discussing her rights. Lay hands off her body it's not your ****in' life"
 
#59
#59
GOP rejects rape exception in platform - James Hohmann - POLITICO.com

Even as Mitt Romney sought to quash the furor surrounding Todd Akin’s “legitimate” rape comments, the Republican platform committee here approved an abortion plank that includes no exemptions for rape, incest or even to save the life of the mother.

The platform committee instead approved draft language Tuesday, calling for a “Human Life Amendment” that gives legal protection to the unborn. Democrats quickly labeled the GOP language the “Akin Plank,” referring to the Missouri Senate candidate’s statements that victims of “legitimate rape” rarely get pregnant.
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Ryan cosponsored the House bill for personhood.
Akin is also for personhood.
Romney said he would "absolutely" be in support of personhood.

Note: Romney/Ryan have since denounced Akin and said they would support exception for rape.
 
#60
#60
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec4t_3vaBMc&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
 
#63
#63
:sigh:

OK, I've waited long enough and nobody seems to be looking at the big picture in this situation.

How many abortions in this country are performed because they are the after effects of a rape? 10%? 5%? 1%?

I would say closer to 1%, but let's play around and say the number of abortions due to rapes is 10%. :unsure:

You have the GOP continually falling for the trap that liberals create where they argue and defend the minority of cases when in reality, over 90% of abortions performed are because of women not being able to keep their legs closed or not have unprotected sex.

Their body. Their choice. Someone else has to suffer the consequences, though.

You all have just skated over the big picture and instead have allowed yourselves to be suckered into situation where you have party platforms built around a 10% exception to the rule. You all are getting bogged down on what was obviously a poorly worded (or not politically tactful) sound bite. Even if you eliminate the exception, you're still gonna have a million abortions occurring. So what are we arguing about here?
 
#64
#64
It's tantamount to these hippies and legalize weed guys that go around demagoging the issue by saying we need to legalize reefer to save cancer patients? Really? How many of these weed smokers are cancer patients vs how many are just using it for recreational use?

Yet, whenever the discussion of weed comes up, we have both sides arguing over if Granny can get her joints legalized or else she will die in a nursing home.
 
#65
#65
Rasputin_Vol said:
:sigh:

OK, I've waited long enough and nobody seems to be looking at the big picture in this situation.

How many abortions in this country are performed because they are the after effects of a rape? 10%? 5%? 1%?

I would say closer to 1%, but let's play around and say the number of abortions due to rapes is 10%. :unsure:

You have the GOP continually falling for the trap that liberals create where they argue and defend the minority of cases when in reality, over 90% of abortions performed are because of women not being able to keep their legs closed or not have unprotected sex.

Their body. Their choice. Someone else has to suffer the consequences, though.

You all have just skated over the big picture and instead have allowed yourselves to be suckered into situation where you have party platforms built around a 10% exception to the rule. You all are getting bogged down on what was obviously a poorly worded (or not politically tactful) sound bite. Even if you eliminate the exception, you're still gonna have a million abortions occurring. So what are we arguing about here?
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I don't see any arguing. Some pol said something really stupid.
 
#67
#67
Rasputin_Vol said:
So we are gonna run pols out of office for saying something (borderline, imo) stupid?
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Whatever, Ras. Dude said something really stupid relative to the abilities of the human reproductive system. Lots of folks said "Hey look, that dude said something really stupid!"

If your running for Senator and you say something really stupid, people are gonna notice. They did.

I don't see the drama, but maybe you do.
 
#68
#68
Danl said:
Whatever, Ras. Dude said something really stupid relative to the abilities of the human reproductive system. Lots of folks said "Hey look, that dude said something really stupid!"

If your running for Senator and you say something really stupid, people are gonna notice. They did.

I don't see the drama, but maybe you do.
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You don't see the drama? The GOP pres. nominee just asked the guy to step aside? Not to mention all of the media attention.
 
#69
#69
Rasputin_Vol said:
:sigh:

OK, I've waited long enough and nobody seems to be looking at the big picture in this situation.

How many abortions in this country are performed because they are the after effects of a rape? 10%? 5%? 1%?

I would say closer to 1%, but let's play around and say the number of abortions due to rapes is 10%. :unsure:

You have the GOP continually falling for the trap that liberals create where they argue and defend the minority of cases when in reality, over 90% of abortions performed are because of women not being able to keep their legs closed or not have unprotected sex.

Their body. Their choice. Someone else has to suffer the consequences, though.

You all have just skated over the big picture and instead have allowed yourselves to be suckered into situation where you have party platforms built around a 10% exception to the rule. You all are getting bogged down on what was obviously a poorly worded (or not politically tactful) sound bite. Even if you eliminate the exception, you're still gonna have a million abortions occurring. So what are we arguing about here?
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The logic for personhood is the same regardless. A fertilized egg is a human regardless of the situation. How the sperm got there doesn't matter. A wanting father's sperm in vitro that is used to fertilize multiple eggs from the wife would be considered humans and thus must be born.

One cannot logically argue against abortion for women who can't "keep their legs closed" on the principal that her fertilized egg is a person/human and then say that abortions due to rape, incest, miscarriage, in vitro, etc are acceptable.
 
#70
#70
Rasputin_Vol said:
You don't see the drama? The GOP pres. nominee just asked the guy to step aside? Not to mention all of the media attention.
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Oh, wrong word.

I don't see the arguing. You said "So what are we arguing about here?". Who's arguing?

Dude said something really stupid, everybody knows it, no argument.
 
#71
#71
Rasputin_Vol said:
It's tantamount to these hippies and legalize weed guys that go around demagoging the issue by saying we need to legalize reefer to save cancer patients? Really? How many of these weed smokers are cancer patients vs how many are just using it for recreational use?

Yet, whenever the discussion of weed comes up, we have both sides arguing over if Granny can get her joints legalized or else she will die in a nursing home.
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1) It's not even in the same ballpark as the same argument.

2) Marijuana absolutely should be legalized.

3) Marijuana does wonders for many cancer patients without all the harmful side effects of "traditional" pain killers (morphine, aka heroin)
 
#72
#72
Danl said:
Oh, wrong word.

I don't see the arguing. You said "So what are we arguing about here?". Who's arguing?

Dude said something really stupid, everybody knows it, no argument.
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Arguing, commotion, big hullabaloo... whatever. You get what I'm saying. The point is that abortions sparked by rapes are rare. No need for the media or the POTUS or anyone else to be making a big deal about legalizing abortions for rapes when well over 90% of them are abortions from two willing sex partners.
 
#73
#73
PKT_VOL said:
1) It's not even in the same ballpark as the same argument.
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Proportionally, if you counted the number of smokers that are cancer patients and compared it to the number smokers that are recreational, it would be on par with the number of women that had an abortion due to rape vs women who had one just as a lazy form of birth control.
 
#74
#74
Rasputin_Vol said:
Proportionally, if you counted the number of smokers that are cancer patients and compared it to the number smokers that are recreational, it would be on par with the number of women that had an abortion due to rape vs women who had one just as a lazy form of birth control.
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The logic isn't the same. See my post addressing the logic of parenthood rights for a fertilized egg.
 
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