Let's be honest about personal responsibility

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lumberjack4 said:
I assume you are referring to military spending. Seeing as I work with the DoD I get a front row seat into the mountains of waste in our defense budget. I'm all for cutting our military spending by streamlining programs and eliminating duplication and waste. My favorite time of the year around here is the months of July and August where programs have X amount of funding they have not spent, so they go around buying $300 hammers and other crap they don't need just so their program's budget doesn't get reduced the next fiscal year.
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That is exactly true and the military is the top of the heap as far as governmental efficiency goes. It isn't unionized or littered with career desk jockeys.
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#77
#77
volinbham said:
You can't have entitlements without changing the level of dependence in the culture.

My dad was out of work for 2 weeks due to a strike where he worked. He and his buddy got a job caddying until regular work resumed. (1950s)

Now we see people unemployed who wait for the right job and live off the abundant federal and state programs.

Current unemployment benefits stretch to 99 weeks I believe - almost 2 years! Economists recognize that the continued expansion of unemployment benefits are keeping the unemployment rate high.
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My brother-in-law lives in Tampa and is unemployed. He has a business background and is holding out for only management jobs. I swear its like Jim Carey in 'Fun with Dick and Jane'. Meanwhile he has gotten offers from friends to do some side construction projects to help him get through until he finds a job, but he's turned them down. He's been out of work for almost a year now and was ticked off when the unemployment benefits bill was being held up a couple of weeks ago, because he needed those benefits to make it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not every single one from a middle class family succeeds, and not every one from a poor family fails.

But you cannot seriously be arguing that your starting point in life doesn't give you a leg up, or down, as the case may be.
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So what do you suppose we base this starting point on? Equalize traits that are beyond the individual's control, try to equalize all traits that lead to different opportunities regardless as to whether they are innate, or some alternative set of traits?
 
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paul1454 said:
So what do you suppose we base this starting point on? Equalize traits that are beyond the individual's control, try to equalize all traits that lead to different opportunities regardless as to whether they are innate, or some alternative set of traits?
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Well this country was built on drive and determination. These two things bring you prosperity. Basically what our current admin is trying to do is punish those that want to succeed in order to "help" the folks that do not have the drive to make themselves successful
 
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volinbham said:
Reminds me of Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut

Harrison Bergeron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Ha, I hadn’t read that book but that was exactly what I was getting at. There are a lot of traits that are innate that lead to disparaging opportunities. Those who are attractive receive higher pay on average, are we to give a subsidy to the ugly to the extent average attractive citizens wages exceed their ugly counterpart? Those who are intelligent receive much higher paying jobs on average than those who are not intelligent. Are we to then give subsidies to those who are unintelligent? Those traits are, just as poverty, out of the control of the individual. I just don’t see how income status is more deserving of equalization due to lost opportunities than other innate traits beyond the control of the individual.
 
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volinbham said:
Reminds me of Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut

Harrison Bergeron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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To answer your original question, in the case of LG I think it is a terminal case of penis envy.

I used to work for a Cajun named Bergeron, Antoine, he was a pretty nice guy.

The Vonnegut book is a bit like:

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Havn't seen the movie but the synopsis is hilarious in an ironic sense anyway.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't think there is anything I could say which would persuade people who think the way you do that there might be some merit to any federal program that isn's about blowing something up.
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I thought this thread was about personal responsibility, not whether there are any federal programs that actually are good, sorry i must be in the wrong thread. I'm going to borrow a quote from the infamous Hatvol, go hang yourself.
 
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Cartervol said:
I thought this thread was about personal responsibility, not whether there are any federal programs that actually are good, sorry i must be in the wrong thread. I'm going to borrow a quote from the infamous Hatvol, go hang yourself.
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Don't bother Carter, he's in over his head again.
 
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