Let's be honest about the GOP position on health care....

I've been rundown
I've been lied too
I dont know why,
I let that damn Obama make me a fool
He done took all my money
He owns my brand new car
We thought he was one of our buddies
But we found out quick, he was a liar

Sometimes I feel
Sometimes I feel
Like I been tied
To the Whippin Post
 
fine disregard the gov't. if the healthcare companies can't turn down people for preexisting conditions (as the bill states) why would anyone buy health insurance before they get sick?

The bill makes it mandatory to buy insurance.
The insurance have to take people with preexisting conditions but they also get all the young healthy people to offset the cost.
 
The bill does not create a public option, though it expands the universe of covered persons. The debate I've heard on the finances is between a surplus or a deficit add of $500 billion in either direction over ten years. That's $25 billion a year, at worst (or best), depending on your point of view, which is a tiny percentage of the budget.

The real goal here by the GOP has purely been to try to prevent Obama from having a victory, and they've lost that battle now.

Not sure why I bother anymore. You continually fail to understand R-thinking.
 
The bill makes it mandatory to buy insurance.
The insurance have to take people with preexisting conditions but they also get all the young healthy people to offset the cost.

the costs will never be "offset"
there is NO WAY that they can inforce the "everyone must buy insurance" shat
 
The bill makes it mandatory to buy insurance.
The insurance have to take people with preexisting conditions but they also get all the young healthy people to offset the cost.

How much is the penalty? If I'm young and healthy and can afford it I don't get the insurance and eat the penalty cost with a smile. In fact, I'm predicting that happens...alot.
 
The bill makes it mandatory to buy insurance.
The insurance have to take people with preexisting conditions but they also get all the young healthy people to offset the cost.
America is fat, don't you read the news? It's going to cost out the butt to put all those young fat people on Health care. There is no good in this bill anyway you look at it. It's counter productive and will help stall any kind of recovery from the recession. I'm starting to believe they want it to fail. People who don't feel good about the direction of the country will tighten their belts even further. They won't spend money and it will remain where it is. These people in Washington don't seem to care about economic recovery, that's the scary part.
 
fine disregard the gov't. if the healthcare companies can't turn down people for preexisting conditions (as the bill states) why would anyone buy health insurance before they get sick?

and this is why the private healthcare insurance business will cease to exist. Employers will get out of that business. Now the healthcare insurance industry will be directly to individuals and only the wealthy will be takers. Everyone else will eventually default to the government / Medicare solution and it will be sorry care for much, much more money.

People like LG don't understand that Medicare is currently setting the egregious pricing in the arena, yet docs can't make money in that business because of the "no pay" % on Medicare's part and the collections nightmare that the gov't medical crap has become.

This has the Law of Unintended Consequences written all over it, but people in the industry already knew. Sad.
 
How much is the penalty? If I'm young and healthy and can afford it I don't get the insurance and eat the penalty cost with a smile. In fact, I'm predicting that happens...alot.

I agree with you, this will happen. It will be cheaper to just pay the fine then when the person gets sick or injured they just call and get insurance on the way to the hospital because they can't be denied coverage. This is what change looks like.
 
why would she put 200 republican amendments in it if the republicans refused to vote for it? if so she is one dumb *****.


Because for a time it seemed like the Republicans were sincere about wanting to have meaingful input. Turns out, all they wanted was to run out the clock.


Well, I would like to put my two cents in, if I may. I can see what Champy is saying. A lot of our industrial manufacturing jobs have gone overseas. Why? Because over-priced union labor forced those companies to seek other avenues. When you own a business, you do it to make a profit, not to go belly-up because you have to pay a guy $30 an hour and full benefits, just to push a button.

On the other hand, When I went to buy a vehicle in 2008, I wanted a Dodge. The first my wife wanted was manufactured in Mexico, as well as 60% of the parts. The other. manufactured in Ohio. Both were within a $1000 of being the same price. I bought the one made in America for two reasons: One, it put food on the table of an American family and two, there is no way in hell it costs that much to assemble a car in Mexico. So where is the savings to Americans by sending jobs to Mexico?

We need to bring back the jobs, axe the Unions, rebuild Washington, repeal the Electorial College(which, imo, allows for the bigger states to rule over the smaller states), stop trying to keep up with the Jones' and live within our means, and we will be fine.


I agree that it is a real problem that so many manufacturing jobs have been lost to overseas competitors. I whole heartedly agree that everyone needs to come together with some policy, including tax breaks, etc., that would make it more competitive for industry to remain here, or even to come back.

The Devil is in the details. Most GOP solutions seem to be built around destroying unions, as though that were the main even the only problem. That's just an extension of class warfare. I think the problems are much deeper than that.


This bill KILLS jobs.....PERIOD!!!! BHO does not CARE!

Once again, this is why I am letting all my installers go and I will pay them as subs.


What is the logic by which the bill would cut jobs?


Not sure why I bother anymore. You continually fail to understand R-thinking.


And I just think that you do not see that there is a difference between genuine conservative thought (you), versus political one upsmanship (Boehner).
 
Not sure why I bother anymore. You continually fail to understand R-thinking.

It's not just a misunderstanding of R thinking. Much of it, like his comments about the reasoning for the opposition here, are just pure fantasyland, steeped in the fact that he cannot, on his best day, imagine the government as the worst possible solution.
 
This is BS. the way to Govt. is doing us is pure BS. We will be forced to buy this garbage forced, yeah thats the America I know..I swear I thought I would never see a worst pres. than Jihad Jimmy Cater but this putz Obama and friends just by passed Carter by miles. There's no telling what's the next thing they "change". Pure F' garbage!
 
And I just think that you do not see that there is a difference between genuine conservative thought (you), versus political one upsmanship (Boehner).

Why do you think the majority of people in virtually every poll were against this bill?

Too dumb to understand it?

It's a crap bill that required procedural gymnastics to pass and you are calling the R side the political animals?
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The bill makes it mandatory to buy insurance.
The insurance have to take people with preexisting conditions but they also get all the young healthy people to offset the cost.

how are they going to force me to buy insurance?
 
Because for a time it seemed like the Republicans were sincere about wanting to have meaingful input. Turns out, all they wanted was to run out the clock..

you can seriously be this delusional. at no time were republicans supporting mandated health insurance. never.
 
Why do you think the majority of people in virtually every poll were against this bill?

Too dumb to understand it?

It's a crap bill that required procedural gymnastics to pass and you are calling the R side the political animals?
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its funny because LG was saying republicans only voted against it beacuse of party lines, yet it sounds like LG is buying it only because a doucheacrat pushed it
 
and this is why the private healthcare insurance business will cease to exist. Employers will get out of that business. Now the healthcare insurance industry will be directly to individuals and only the wealthy will be takers. Everyone else will eventually default to the government / Medicare solution and it will be sorry care for much, much more money.

People like LG don't understand that Medicare is currently setting the egregious pricing in the arena, yet docs can't make money in that business because of the "no pay" % on Medicare's part and the collections nightmare that the gov't medical crap has become.

This has the Law of Unintended Consequences written all over it, but people in the industry already knew. Sad.


First, there are very few physicians and no hospitals out there that won't take Medicare. The reimbursement rate comparison is a joke because the system of billing is designed to overcome most of the limits that theoretically would exist.

Second, I agree with you that the system of figuring out what gets paid is a "nightmare," though I do not agree that the collections are. These large facilities and hospital chains do just fine. They may have an accounting nightmare -- I'd agree with you there -- but its not caused by failing to collect from the feds or from the larege contract health insurers.

I frankly do not trust the numbers that anyone gives out on these things because the DRGs aren't honest or accurate reflections of what the delivery of a particular service costs. Its impossible to figure it out.

Does that create an opportunity for inefficiencies? Yup. For fraud? Yup.

But that's a question of enforcement and monitoring, not of the theoretical benefit to be derived from some sort of dependable and universally recognized acocunting whereby we can start to meaningfully compare what Medicare reimburses for a procedure versus what BCBS reimburses.
 
Why do you think the majority of people in virtually every poll were against this bill?

Too dumb to understand it?

It's a crap bill that required procedural gymnastics to pass and you are calling the R side the political animals?
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Depends on how the questions were asked. When the provisions of the bill were presented, my understanbding is that the polls were overwhelmingly positive. It is only when the question was posed in such a fashion as to relate to the bill under attack by the insurance lobb ... er, I mean Fox News, that it came back negative.
 
Depends on how the questions were asked. When the provisions of the bill were presented, my understanbding is that the polls were overwhelmingly positive. It is only when the question was posed in such a fashion as to relate to the bill under attack by the insurance lobb ... er, I mean Fox News, that it came back negative.

you mean when it didnt have the glitter and sparkles that pelosi, reid, obama and the rest of the clowns put on it?

you can dress a turd up like a chocolate bar, but regardless it is still a turd
 

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