Let's be honest about the GOP position on health care....

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#126
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
and why are their not many unions left in those states? probably the same reason that there arent many jobs left.

The unions have "flexed" their "muscle" for so long that the companies dont wanna bring their jobs there. In the Ohio-Michigan job field, the locusts that are unions have decimated and destroyed the fertility of those states to attract jobs.
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true to some extent, along with the passing of nafta destroyed most high paying non college jobs. most people around here can't afford to go to college so it puts them in a no win situation.
 
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champyvol said:
true to some extent, along with the passing of nafta destroyed most high paying non college jobs. most people around here can't afford to go to college so it puts them in a no win situation.
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so does expecting to make $40 an hour for turning a wrench
 
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champyvol said:
true to some extent, along with the passing of nafta destroyed most high paying non college jobs. most people around here can't afford to go to college so it puts them in a no win situation.
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that's called economic progress. we shouldn't be manufacturing toasters in the united states. the country needs plenty of plummers or mechanics.
 
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champyvol said:
true to some extent, along with the passing of nafta destroyed most high paying non college jobs. most people around here can't afford to go to college so it puts them in a no win situation.
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I am getting all weepy....poor poor pitiful Ohio
 
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Headed For Home said:
LG you are being disingenuous at best to say that the Repubs had any real say as to any of the details of this fiasco. Do you not remember the Dems locking them out of meetings when the plan was being developed?
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Pelosi said during her speech last night that the bill had over 200 Republican amendments in it. I've heard no one say that was incorrect (and would think if it was wrong we'd have heard someone decrying the statement by now).

I think the fact that not a single Republican voted for it, whereas there were, what, 25 or 30 Democrats who voted against it, goes to show that the Republican vote was straight party line. The Republicans have no right here to contend that this was partisan when it was 100 percent no vote on their side.

That was political on their part. They didn't want Obama to have a victory. Pure and simple.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Pelosi said during her speech last night that the bill had over 200 Republican amendments in it. I've heard no one say that was incorrect (and would think if it was wrong we'd have heard someone decrying the statement by now).

I think the fact that not a single Republican voted for it, whereas there were, what, 25 or 30 Democrats who voted against it, goes to show that the Republican vote was straight party line. The Republicans have no right here to contend that this was partisan when it was 100 percent no vote on their side.

That was political on their part. They didn't want Obama to have a victory. Pure and simple.
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The dem were straight party line also and you know it. Pelosi got the votes she needed and let some who would be in a battle this November vote against it.

And they did not want Barry to have a victory because a victory for him is a defeat for Capitalism and the US as we used to know it.
 
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champyvol said:
anymore it is pretty close to the samething. you have rich and poor and no more middle class.
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I've wondered if this is really true. I don't see very many poor people, people barely scraping by don't have cable, cell phones etc. I think what we have seen is more people making at least decent money but living beyond their means, which in turns leaves them with roughly zero disposable income. That doesn't mean they're poor, it just means their priorities aren't in order. I have no sympathy for them, I reserve that for people whose struggles aren't self induced.
 
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#149
lawgator1 said:
Pelosi said during her speech last night that the bill had over 200 Republican amendments in it. I've heard no one say that was incorrect (and would think if it was wrong we'd have heard someone decrying the statement by now).

I think the fact that not a single Republican voted for it, whereas there were, what, 25 or 30 Democrats who voted against it, goes to show that the Republican vote was straight party line. The Republicans have no right here to contend that this was partisan when it was 100 percent no vote on their side.

That was political on their part. They didn't want Obama to have a victory. Pure and simple.
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OR all the republicans and the 25-30 democrats that Obama didnt pay off didnt think think it was a good idea.
 
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#150
champyvol said:
this is the new capitalism. that is the reason the bill was able to pass. to many poor people.
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now you're just making up definitions to words. What you described has nothing to do with capitalism.

and the problem isn't too many poor people it's too many lazy people. This bill will do nothing to fix either one
 
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