Let's compare Jesus and Muhammed (and debate homosexuality) (and Tombstone).

[IPorange]

What other grain does this describe?


Genesis 41:5
And he slept and dreamed the second time: and, behold, seven ears of corn came up upon one stalk, rank and good.

Deuteronomy 23:25
When thou comest into the standing corn of thy neighbour, then thou mayest pluck the ears with thine hand; but thou shalt not move a sickle unto thy neighbour's standing corn

You're wrong buddy. It's a translational issue with KJB. I don't make things up.

 

[milohimself]

You should have asked one of your science professors, instead. S/he could have used that errancy as a means to further disprove God's existence.

But you - like the dude from Limitless - probably already thought of that, and could forsee some reason why doing so would not have been best. So, of course, I defer to your superior intellect on this one.

Stop being obtuse.

 

[Tenacious D]

Stop being obtuse.

How so, Melo?
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[gsvol]

The word "corn" does not appear once in the Catholic Bible (NAB), nor the Latin Vulgate.
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Not to mention all the corny stuff one finds in the Qu'ran.

maize

Amaizing how these threads take certain turns, in 100% of the threads concerning religion, at some point they will turn into an attack on Christianity and then we are asked to defend Christianity.

You're wrong buddy. It's a translational issue with KJB. I don't make things up.

No but you habitually parrot made up things.

Stop being obtuse.

One must be obtuse when addressing you in the sense one must take an oblique approach to your rude, one sided comments on several topics because you have the postition of moderator and instead of using the position to promote fairness, you use it to promote your own point of view and have shown not only no hesitation to be as rude as hell your own self but to use various means at your desposal such as the 'kill switch' to suppress viewpoints of which you are singularly intolerant.

The very defintion of 'bigotry.'

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Not to mention all the corny stuff one finds in the Qu'ran.

It is religious text, isn't it?

Amaizing how these threads take certain turns, in 100% of the threads concerning religion, at some point they will turn into an attack on Christianity and then we are asked to defend Christianity.

That's because you take these threads and turn them into your anti-Islam soap boxes. You also need to consider why it's so easy for people to attack Abrahamic religions... they've caused a wide array of problems throughout recorded history.

No but you habitually parrot made up things.

Hey... look! Irony. Champion another discredited, hateful blog, why don't ya?

One must be obtuse when addressing you in the sense one must take an oblique approach to your rude, one sided comments on several topics because you have the postition of moderator and instead of using the position to promote fairness, you use it to promote your own point of view and have shown not only no hesitation to be as rude as hell your own self but to use various means at your desposal such as the 'kill switch' to suppress viewpoints of which you are singularly intolerant.

The very defintion of 'bigotry.'

First off, if you're going to use bigger words than you're used to when trying to make a solid point, at least have the good sense to spell check them or use them correctly.

Secondly, this part of your post has convinced me that you are nothing short of a pathetic forum troll. Every single thing you have said in that paragraph has, on multiple occasions, been an accusation thrown your way. You are easily the most tunnel-visioned, intolerant, hypocritical, and judgmental person who regularly posts in these boards.

You should shut up about fairness considering you haven't been banned for your numerous infractions. I would complain about it on a more regular basis, but the mods seem to be hands-off in how the other posters here can interact with you. I guess it's a fair trade, considering we can get away with murder when your name is tangled up in a thread.

 

[VOLatile]

No but you habitually parrot made up things.

Like you and the Bible?

 

[gsvol]

Like you and the Bible?

No.

It is religious text, isn't it?

To me it is the insane rantings of a madman.


QUOTE=DinkinFlicka;4890564]
That's because you take these threads and turn them into your anti-Islam soap boxes. You also need to consider why it's so easy for people to attack Abrahamic religions... they've caused a wide array of problems throughout recorded history.[/QUOTE]

Actually my purpose is to make you aware of what islam teaches and what it's adherents do and what they have done for many centuries.



QUOTE=DinkinFlicka;4890564]
First off, if you're going to use bigger words than you're used to when trying to make a solid point, at least have the good sense to spell check them or use them correctly.

Secondly, this part of your post has convinced me that you are nothing short of a pathetic forum troll. Every single thing you have said in that paragraph has, on multiple occasions, been an accusation thrown your way. You are easily the most tunnel-visioned, intolerant, hypocritical, and judgmental person who regularly posts in these boards.

You should shut up about fairness considering you haven't been banned for your numerous infractions. I would complain about it on a more regular basis, but the mods seem to be hands-off in how the other posters here can interact with you. I guess it's a fair trade, considering we can get away with murder when your name is tangled up in a thread. [/QUOTE]

Useless jiberish.

Huh? Corn is a New World crop that didn't exist in the Old World until at least the Sixteenth century. How do you explain this reference to a plant not known to exist by over a thousand years?

Actually there is a record corn being carried from the new world to China long before the sixteenth century.

At any rate the word 'corn' probably meant wheat or barley, there is always a problem when translating from one language to another.

The time of the census.

Specifically?

The tradition of releasing a prisoner for Passover.

Specifically?

What accounts of Jesus in The Annals can one not find in the biblical narratives of Jesus? He based his account not on Roman records, that would have most likely offered a detail or two that differed from the biblical accounts.

As I stated earlier, the historicity of Jesus is confined to six writers, none of which wrote anything while Jesus was alive, nor for the next twenty years after.

How do you know that he didn't use Roman records??

Why would Biblical accounts differ from Roman records?

Blonde-haired, blue-eyed Jesus?

This certainly sounds legitimate.

There are light skinned, light colored hair Jews with blue eyes, are there not??

You brought up Bernard Lewis.

Recently he was asked the question; "What is the greatest weakness of islam, why is the moslem world so backwards in every way, economically, technologically, politically and etc.?"

His answer was simple:

"Their treatment of women."

Which brings me to another comparison between Jesus and muhammed.

What was their attitude toward a woman's place in the world??

Jesus Christ did more to elevate the status of women to equal footing with men than any other personage in history.

Abu al-Qasim Muhammad Ibn Abd Allah Ibn Abd al-Muttalib Ibn Hashim did more to cause grief to women than any other, his teachings reduce the status of women to that just barely higher than livestock.

 

[dduncan4163]

It is easy to brand an entire faith based on the words and actions of some of its followers.

Misconception: Women have no rights
The image of a woman wearing a veil from head to toe, a woman who gets unfair justice or a woman who is not allowed to drive is an all too familiar notion when it comes to women treatment in Islam. And while there are Muslim countries in the world that do implement many harsh rulings against women, this should not be portrayed as Islamic law. Many of these countries have cultural differences that go against the teachings of Islam. It should be noted that during pre-Islam Arabia women were used for fornication only and had no independence. The birth of a daughter in a family was considered humiliating and the practice of female infanticide was uncontrolled. When Islam came to being, verses in the Quran condemned the practice of female infanticide. Islam gave back many human rights to the woman and Muhammad(s) was even reported saying that “women are the twin halves of men.” A Muslim woman is allowed to reject and accept any suitor for marriage and has the right to seek divorce. There is nothing in Islam that forbids a Muslim woman from exiting her house and is allowed to drive. Also in regards to education, a woman is obligated to seek knowledge and it is considered a sin if she refuses.


Misconception: Islam is intolerable to other religions
‘Kill the infidel’ is the phrase many people believe is the ideology that Muslims have towards the non Muslims. This, though, is not a correct portrayal of Islamic law. Islam has always given respect and freedom of religion to all faiths. In the Quran it says “God does not forbid you, with regards to those who fight you not for religion nor drive you away out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them, for god loves those who are just.” There are many historical examples of Muslim tolerance towards other faith. One such example was when the caliph Umar was ruler of Jerusalem from 634 to 644 AD. He granted freedom to all religious communities and said that the inhabitants of his city were safe and that their places of worship would never be taken away from them. He also set up courts that were designated to the non Muslim minorities. Whenever he would visit holy areas he would ask for the Christian patriarch Sophronius to accompany him.



Misconception: Jihad means to fight for the sake of god
The true Arabic meaning of the word jihad is struggle. However in Islam it is often used to describe the striving in the way of god. There are many forms of jihad but the most important ones are Jihad al-nafs (jihad against ones self), jihad bil-lisan (jihad by being vocal), jihad bil yad (jihad by using action), and Jihad bis saif (jihad by using the sword). Each jihad is ranked differently and it was reported that Muhammad returned from a battle and said “We have returned from the lesser jihad (going into battle) to the greater jihad (the struggle of the soul).” This means that a Muslim struggling against himself and his soul is more important than the jihad of going into war. Another misconception is that only when a person dies in war does that person becomes a martyr. This is, however, false and it is believed that anyone doing anything for the sake of god and is killed becomes a martyr. A person who dies while performing pilgrimage in Mecca, a woman who dies while giving birth, or even someone who dies in a car crash while he was on his way to the mosque are all considered martyrs.

Misconception: Muslims are savages and barbaric during war
Quite the contrary, when it comes to the conduct of war there are ten rules that every Muslim army must obey:
1. Do not commit treachery
2. Do not deviate from the right path
3. Do not mutilate dead bodies
4. Do not kill children
5. Do not kill women
6. Do not kill aged men
7. Do not harm or burn trees
8. Do not destroy buildings
9. Do not destroy an enemy’s flock, unless you use it for your food
10. When you pass people who have devoted their lives to monastic services leave them alone
During the crusades when Saladin defeated the franks he honored the defeated Frankish army and supplied them with food and during the third crusade when Saladin’s enemy king Richard fell sick, Saladin sent him a gift of fruits and horses.




Misconception: Islam was spread by the sword
Historian De lacey O’Leary states “History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.” There is no record in history that shows people being forced by sword point to convert to Islam. When Islam spread through countries they would set up private churches and synagogues for the non Muslims they were governing and because of the good treatment they had received they themselves would convert. If one considers the small number of Muslims who initially spread Islam to the west all the way from Spain and Morocco and into east from India and China one would realize that such a small group of people could not force others to be members of a religion against their will. It is also interesting to note that when the Mongols invaded and conquered large portions of the Islamic empire, instead of destroying the religion they adopted it!


Misconception: Muslims are terrorists
This is by far the biggest misconception of Islam, given unfairly by stereotyping and the public image that the media gives. Has anyone else noticed how when a specific group of people attack another group of people it is labeled as a ‘hate crime’, but when a Muslim opens fire on anybody it is quickly regarded as ‘terrorism’. Many political dictators and officials or extremist groups use the name of Islam as a strategy to garner followers and attention when many of their practices go against the true basis of Islam. The media has also portrayed Islam as a cult or a club where if you join you become a terrorist and that is now part of your agenda. However all over the world people practice Islam in the true form and use it as a way of life. There are many verses in the Quran that go against the idea of terrorism. Some of these verses include “fight in the way of Allah those that fight you but do not transgress limits for god does not love transgressors.” This basically means do not fight except in self defense and even in doing so do not go beyond defense. Another verse states “if they seek peace, then you seek peace,” which means do not attack people for no reason or kill innocent people. There is nowhere in Islam, whether it be in the Quran or the teachings of Muhammad, that promotes the killing of innocent people.

 

[dduncan4163]

Does some Muslims bastardize the Koran for their evil purposes? Sure

However to demonize 1.5 billion peoples faith and intentionally mislead Non Believers is morally dishonest, and pathetic.

For every Terrorist there are thousands of peaceful Muslims. That might now make for good TV, but it is reality.

 

[IPorange]

Good stuff, but some will think you're a terrorist muslim for even saying it.

 

[dduncan4163]

Every faith or non faith has fanatics that use it for evil purposes.

Christanity
Beginning after the Civil War, the Protestant-led, white supremacist Ku Klux Klan members in the Southern United States engaged in arson, beatings, cross burning, destruction of property, lynching, murder, rape, tar-and-feathering, and whipping against African Americans, Jews, Catholics and other social or ethnic minorities. The goals of the KKK included from an early time on, an intent to, "reestablish Protestant Christian values in America by any means possible," and believe that, "Jesus was the first Klansman." Many modern Klan organizations, such as the Knights Party, USA, continue to focus on the Christian supremacist message, asserting that there is a "war" on to destroy "western Christian civilization.

Mormons had the "Mountain Meadows massacre"


Atheists Murderers

Stalin
Pol Pot
Mao Zedong

The Irgun A Jewish Terror Group has commited countless bombings and murders in the name Yahweh.

I could go on and on.

A person with a evil heart will find justification for their deeds through any number of things. Religious or Political Ideology, Race, etc....

Ignorance and fear breeds contempt. Don't judge a man for his beliefs and practices without truly examining them first.

 

[dduncan4163]

Good stuff, but some will think you're a terrorist muslim for even saying it.

I know, and I also know that their isnt anything I can write that will changes the True Believers minds,

However the people that reads these boards should know both sides of the story.

 

[rjd970]

Atheists Murderers

Stalin
Pol Pot
Mao Zedong

The difference here is these murderers were not motivated by a theological belief system. They were motivated by political, social, racial, and economic means. They had no divine book they went back to and quoted as reasoning for the murders. Nice try though.

I would probably say most of the religious murders throughout history, while having religious beliefs behind them, also had some underlying political or "self-defense" reasoning. That said, the penalty for converting from Islam in the Qu'ran is death. Is it not? There are passages peppered throughout Islamic writings that specifically call for the death of infidels. If this is untrue, please explain.

I have a couple of Muslim friends I play soccer with, and they are good guys. We hang out, joke about girls, one of them even drinks with us. But let's not pretend that all faiths are created equal. While I think all religion seems to have the power to get good people to do bad things, Islam stands apart.

 

[therealUT]

The difference here is these murderers were not motivated by a theological belief system. They were motivated by political, social, racial, and economic means. They had no divine book they went back to and quoted as reasoning for the murders. Nice try though.

They were certainly based on ideological beliefs; these beliefs were based on books.

I would probably say most of the religious murders throughout history, while having religious beliefs behind them, also had some underlying political or "self-defense" reasoning. That said, the penalty for converting from Islam in the Qu'ran is death. Is it not? There are passages peppered throughout Islamic writings that specifically call for the death of infidels. If this is untrue, please explain.

Same rules in the Old Testament. Apostasy has been punished with death by Jews and Christians.

I would say that apostasy has very close ties to treason laws as well. Punishment for treason is death.

I have a couple of Muslim friends I play soccer with, and they are good guys. We hang out, joke about girls, one of them even drinks with us. But let's not pretend that all faiths are created equal. While I think all religion seems to have the power to get good people to do bad things, Islam stands apart.

I have (insert race, religion here) friends; ergo, my argument is not biased insensitive nonsense, it is just logical fact.

 

[rjd970]

They were certainly based on ideological beliefs; these beliefs were based on books.

Not divine books about the afterlife and creation of the universe and wants and needs of a all powerful God. Big difference from a categorical sense, and shouldn't be lumped in with other bad behavior based on these things.

Same rules in the Old Testament. Apostasy has been punished with death by Jews and Christians.

I would say that apostasy has very close ties to treason laws as well. Punishment for treason is death.

At least with the Bible there is the NT to temper things. Starting to compare political and religious precepts, while interesting, doesn't fit. One is based on fantasy, the other based on what someone (ergo, not God) thinks is best.


I have (insert race, religion here) friends; ergo, my argument is not biased insensitive nonsense, it is just logical fact.

Simply saying I see his point. Do I think all Christians, Jews, Muslims are stupid idiots? Of course not. But I am not going to mince words when it comes to what they say they actually believe. I have people tell me they feel sorry for me after I die...I tell them I feel sorry for them while they are alive.

.

 

[VOLatile]

I can't stand how the NT is used to explain away the OT until verses in the OT fit their personal views.

 

[dduncan4163]

That said, the penalty for converting from Islam in the Qu'ran is death. Is it not?

There is no mandatory death penalty in the Koran for any crime. The death penalty for apostasy in fact conflicts with the Koran.

Koran 5:32-33, 45, 2:178
In 5:32, after relating the story of the murder of Habil by his brother Qabil, God says:

On that account We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole humanity: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole humanity. Then although there came to them Our Messengers with clear (guidance), yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (5:32)
​

In the context of an emphasis on preserving the life of each and every individual the above verse mentions only two crimes for which a person can be killed:

1. Murdering another human being.
2. Spreading mischief (fasad) in the land.


Nowhere else the Koran mentions any other crime for which the death penalty is considered. There are, of course, verses that mention killing during a war in the way of God. But that is different from killing as a penalty for a crime. Moreover, in the Koranic understanding the objective of even killing in a war is to stop or punish crimes similar to the two mentioned in the above verse -- violence and mischief -- when committed in an organized way by a tribe or nation 2:191-193, 2:217, 4:88-91

Hence the above-mentioned two crimes exhaust all possible cases for which the Koran considers the death penalty[FONT=&quot][/FONT]. And in both of these cases, the death penalty is not mandatory.

In case of spreading mischief in the land, the Koran says in the next verse:

The recompense for those who wage war against God and his Messenger[FONT=&quot][[/FONT], and strive with might and main for mischief through the land[FONT=&quot][/FONT] is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and for them in the hereafter is a severe punishment. (5:33)
​

There is no prescribed mandatory death penalty here. Even when the person wages war against God and his Messenger along with striving in the land for mischief, death is considered only one of several options, starting from exile. If such is the case with persons who wage war against God and his Messenger and actively seek to spread mischief in the land, then the question of death as a prescribed penalty for an apostate who continues to lead a peaceful life after his sin of apostasy can hardly arise within a Koranic perspective.
A little later in the same surah the Koran deals with the other crime – murdering another human being -- for which death penalty can be applied:

And We ordained for them in [the Torah]: “Person for person, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.” But if anyone remits the retaliation as charity, it shall be an expiation for him. And whoever does not judge by what God has sent down, such are the transgressors (zalimun)[FONT=&quot][/FONT]. (5:45)
​

The above verse refers to what God commanded the Jews through the Torah, but in the following verse the Koran gives a more balanced law to the Muslims:

O you who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the slain, the free for the free, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female. But if one (who killed) is forgiven by the brother of (the one killed) against ransom, there should be follow up in fairness and payment to the heir in handsome gratitude. This is a concession from your Lord and a mercy (from him). Then whoever exceeds the limit (of the ransom agreement) after this he shall have a painful chastisement. (2:178)
​

Again there is no mandatory death penalty. If the relatives of the murdered person accept ransom, the death penalty can be removed. There is no mandatory death penalty in the Koran for any crime. The Koran does not prescribe the death penalty even for crimes more serious than simple apostasy.
4:88-91

The four verses, 4:88-91, when examined, also show that the Koranic perspective conflicts with the death penalty for apostasy. The first two verses state:

Then what is the matter with you that you are divided into two groups regarding the hypocrites? God has cast them backward because of what they have earned. Do you want to guide him whom God has made to go astray? And he whom God has made to go astray, you will not find for him any way. They wish that you reject faith as they have done, so that you all become the same. So take not protectors/friends from them till they emigrate in the way of God. But if they turn away, seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither protectors/friends from them nor helpers.

​

This passage begins by talking about hypocrites, that is, people who had declared themselves Muslims but in their hearts had decided not to believe in the teachings of Islam. The demand that they should do hijrah fi sabil allah (emigrate for the sake of God) shows that they are not the hypocrites of Madinah but are living among non-Muslims in Makkah and possibly elsewhere. Verse 98 shows that these people were not doing hijrah despite the fact that they were able to. The reason for their not doing hijrah was their hypocrisy. Makkan non-believers who had persecuted Muslims for years, would not have tolerated in their midst any true Muslims. They would have accepted among them only those Muslims who had stopped taking Islam seriously and felt more comfortable among non-believers, hostile to Islam, than among Muslims. They pretended to be Muslims because they wanted to be secure from both sides. And Makkan non-believers did not force them to publicly renounce their Islam because they found them useful for gathering information about Muslims or for some other subversive actions against the ummah.

In order to defeat these hypocrites in their game and force them to clearly choose between Islam and kufr, God commanded them to do Hijrah. Their obedience to this command meant that they had chosen Islam and their disobedience meant that they had chosen kufr. Those who chose kufr in this way became apostates, since previously they called themselves Muslims. Thus the verses are a source of guidance for us regarding the way the apostates are to be treated.

At first sight the words “seize them and kill them wherever you find them” would suggest that they are to be killed. But this is quickly seen to be wrong if we read the next two verses:

Except those who join a group between you and whom there is a peace treaty or those who approach you with their hearts restraining them from fighting you or fighting their own people. Had God willed he would have given them power over you and they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you and do not fight you but give you guarantees of peace, then God has opened no way for you against them.

You will find others that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people. Every time they are sent back to temptation they give in to it. If they do not withdraw from you nor give you guarantees of peace, nor restrain their hands, seize them and kill them, wherever you find them. In their case We have provided you with a clear warrant against them. (4:90-91).
​

These verses clarify the command “seize them and kill them”. The apostates who rejected Islam by failing to emigrate as commanded by God are divided into three categories:

1 Those who ally themselves with a group with whom Muslims have a peace treaty.
2 Those who want to keep neutrality, committing themselves to peace with both the Muslims and their own people who had not accepted Islam.
3 Those who provide no real guarantee of peace to Muslims and by all indications ally themselves with non-believers engaged in hostilities towards Islam.

The first two types of apostates are to be left in peace while the third one is to be treated like any non-believers in a state of war: they are to be seized and killed wherever they are found. Notice that the Koran uses the words “God has opened no way for you against them” in connection with the apostates of the first two types. This means that the Koran actually prohibits killing those apostates who want to live in peaceful terms with the Muslims.

According to the Koran the apostates are to be treated like other kuffar: If they want to live in peace with the Muslims, they are to be left in peace and if they assume a hostile attitude, then they are to be treated accordingly.


Sorry to pull a GS on you guys lol.

 

[milohimself]

There were no pics depicting Mohamed with a pentagram, and a lack gigantic, bold red font. You're good.

 

[dduncan4163]

I am a Christian. I believe Jesus is the Messiah.

I also know that the Bible in the Old and New Testaments commands Death for many crimes, especially the Old Testament.

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1)If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Kill False Prophets
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boa****l. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

 

[dduncan4163]

Even More Bible verses.
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)



Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!" But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me." And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)


The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.
When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)



Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died. (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

"You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD. "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms. With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer. With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens. With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers. "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD. "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth! I am your enemy," says the LORD. "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights. When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble. You will be desolate forever. Even your stones will never again be used for building. You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD. (Jeremiah 51:20-26)
(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)


Micah Kills a Whole Town
Then, with Micah's idols and his priest, the men of Dan came to the town of Laish, whose people were peaceful and secure. They attacked and killed all the people and burned the town to the ground. There was no one to rescue the residents of the town, for they lived a great distance from Sidon and had no allies nearby. This happened in the valley near Beth-rehob.Then the people of the tribe of Dan rebuilt the town and lived there. They renamed the town Dan after their ancestor, Israel's son, but it had originally been called Laish. (Judges 18:27-29 NLT)

The Angel of Death
That night the angel of the Lord went forth and struck down one hundred and eighty five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. Early the next morning, there they were, all the corpuses of the dead. (2 Kings 19:35 NAB)

Kill Your Neighbors
(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing." (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)

Kill the Family of Sinners
And Joshua said to Achan, My son, give, I pray thee, glory to the LORD God of Israel, and make confession to him; and tell me now what thou hast done, hide it not from me. And Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the LORD God of Israel, and thus and thus have I done. When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them, and behold, they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it." [Note that the sin is not looting, but failing to give the loot to the treasury of the Lord.] "So Joshua sent messengers, and they ran to the tent, and behold, it was hid in his tent, and the silver under it. And they took them from the midst of the tent, and brought them to Joshua, and to all the children of Israel, and laid them out before the LORD. And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them to the valley of Achor. And Joshua said, why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. And they raised over him a great heap of stones to this day. So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger: wherefore the name of that place was called the valley of Achor to this day. (Joshua 7:19-26 Webster's Bible)

Kill Followers of Other Religions
While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD's anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: "Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel." So Moses ordered Israel's judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man's body and into the woman's stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)


The old saying that people that lives in Glass houses shouldnt throw stones rings true for Christians and Jews who want to protray Islam as a Violent and Evil Religion.

 

[dduncan4163]

I consider my to be a very spirital person. However I am not religious. Growing up my family tried many Christian Faiths,

First, Primative, and Southern Baptists.
First Methodists
Jehovah's Witnesses
Later Day Saints
International Church of God
Penticostal
Seven Day Adventists
and I am sure I am forgetting a few still. My Mother taught me what the Bible commands.

Seek and you shall find.

I have read the Bible and The Koran so I could find my way to God. I was taught to never blindly accept any Religious Dogma as the one true Gospel. God gave us Free Will. He gave us a Mind that craves answers to the meaning of life. He wants us to seek him out ourselves, not to blindly obey another man's interpratation of him and his will.

Jesus taught Love. Jesus taught Peace, and Empathy for for our fellow brothers and sisters. He even prayed for the forgiveness of those murdering him while he was being executed.

I try to live my life according to his teachings not the teachings of a Man Made Religion.

I am a Christian because I follow Jesuses words and acts. I will not hate any man because his believes something different.

 

[dduncan4163]

I will shut up now lol, sorry to go all Bible Thumping on you guys.

 

[rjd970]

dduncan4163,

The Punishment of Apostasy in Islam - Part 1: Qur`anic Perspective

I can go search for bias websites too. Nevertheless, there is obviously plenty of justification that one can get from Islamic writings to justify murdering infidels. The Hadith is generally more open to this idea.

There is a fundamental difference here, and it is theological, not social. Take Tibet for example. They have suffered injustices under Chinese rule that are equal too, if not worse, than the Palenstinians. Why don't we see Bhuddist extremists specifically targeting civilians and using terror and quoting spiritual verses the way Islamic extremists do? For that matter, what about Palestinian Christians? Here we have the same people, speaking the same language, in the same social situation, living in the same area as Islamic Palenstinians...yet they aren't offing themselves in defense of their faith and holy land.

Far be it from me to defend one faith from another, and I generally think the majority of Muslims dont' get a fair shake in the media. But let's be brutally honest with ourselves here, Islam as a faith is not even close to being a religion of peace. The Qu'ran and hadith promote the killing and conquering of indifels at every corner while promising 7th century views of paradise. It is what it, whitewashing with the nonsense you just posted doesn't change this.

 

[therealUT]

There is a fundamental difference here, and it is theological, not social. Take Tibet for example. They have suffered injustices under Chinese rule that are equal too, if not worse, than the Palenstinians. Why don't we see Bhuddist extremists specifically targeting civilians and using terror and quoting spiritual verses the way Islamic extremists do?

You can't use the word "theological" and then talk about Buddhism. Buddhists are not theists; it is a philosophy, not a strict religion, per se.

For that matter, what about Palestinian Christians? Here we have the same people, speaking the same language, in the same social situation, living in the same area as Islamic Palenstinians...yet they aren't offing themselves in defense of their faith and holy land.

Most Palestinian Christians live in Israel, correct? Barely any of them live in Gaza.

I believe Christians stopped fighting for the "Holy Land" after a series of failures known as the Crusades.

Nothing in the Koran speaks of the Dome of the Rock, by the way; however, the Jewish salvation is almost wholly dependent on the Temple, mentioned quite often in the Old Testament and the Talmud.

Far be it from me to defend one faith from another, and I generally think the majority of Muslims dont' get a fair shake in the media. But let's be brutally honest with ourselves here, Islam as a faith is not even close to being a religion of peace. The Qu'ran and hadith promote the killing and conquering of indifels at every corner while promising 7th century views of paradise. It is what it, whitewashing with the nonsense you just posted doesn't change this.

So, was Christianity not a "religion of peace" until the past fifty years? Prior to that, Christians routinely deferred to scripture to defend the continued subjugation and oppression of both non-Christians and non-Caucasians.

Every major religion is faulted in exactly the same way. People want to distance Christianity from the brutality that some Muslims are using in the world; however, I would say that 50 years out of 1700 years of organized Christianity does little to sway the balance enough that people can make an actual distinction.

 

[Gramps]

You're wrong buddy. It's a translational issue with KJB. I don't make things up.

IP,
I really hate to admit this but I was wrong....

After doing some research, I have discovered that corn is a general term used by the translators of the KJV for any grain.