Let's compare Jesus and Muhammed (and debate homosexuality) (and Tombstone).

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#1,776
Jacobus Arminius is rolling over in his grave to see the history of his influence on Baptists represented as being a part of the national group Armenian...

Jesus died on Calvary also, he did not ride on Cavalry. Both confusing point though.
 
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therealUT said:
Feel free to visit any Infantry Battalion on any Army Post in the nation. From personal experience, I can claim that the percentage of atheists/agnostics in the infantry units I was in is at least 30% and more than likely up over 40%.
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Atheists assert that they represent a smarter than average group, but there is no way that in the military 40% of grunts in the infantry are atheists while 2% of the officers are?

Questions Raised Anew About Religion in Military - NYTimes.com

December 2009: Christopher Hitchens on Religion in the Military | Politics | Vanity Fair


Bottom line, you are wrong.

There are not tons of atheists in the military. It is demonstrably wrong unless you are saying that scores of atheists are lying on the forms that indicate their religious preference.

I am going to go anecdotal with family and friends serving or working with groups from 2 separate military institutes that had almost zero atheists, I am going to point you to the numbers.
 
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gsvol said:
Baptists are notprotestants.

Baptist beliefs came down through the Armenian church and even today there is an Armenian quarter in Jerusalem.

Most of the time you don't really know what you are talking about, you know that don't you??
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I didn't say they were, hence the "/". Most of the time you're scared, angry, and confused aren't you?
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Atheists assert that they represent a smarter than average group, but there is no way that in the military 40% of grunts in the infantry are atheists while 2% of the officers are?

Questions Raised Anew About Religion in Military - NYTimes.com

December 2009: Christopher Hitchens on Religion in the Military | Politics | Vanity Fair


Bottom line, you are wrong.

There are not tons of atheists in the military. It is demonstrably wrong unless you are saying that scores of atheists are lying on the forms that indicate their religious preference.

I am going to go anecdotal with family and friends serving or working with groups from 2 separate military institutes that had almost zero atheists, I am going to point you to the numbers.
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If you had read the Hitchens article, you would see the environment in which they are being polled in. But it's the Christians who are persecuted in this country, right?
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
There are not tons of atheists in the military. It is demonstrably wrong unless you are saying that scores of atheists are lying on the forms that indicate their religious preference.

I am going to go anecdotal with family and friends serving or working with groups from 2 separate military institutes that had almost zero atheists, I am going to point you to the numbers.
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In defense, and take it for what it is worth, but when I enlisted, and I'd have to pull up my copy to check, there wasn't a box for "athiest," only "other."

Everyone I encounted took that to mean "non-denominational," and my dog tags always read "No Preference."

That is a lie, I had a preference; it was "none." I simply did not have the choice.

In my small platoon of about 20, there were only 3 athiests, though. Most claimed to be Christian, but only two went to church. I never heard, or saw anyone else attend.
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#1,781
Check out what's going on at Fort Bragg and then get back to me.

There are plenty of atheists that sit in church pews every week, too.
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VOLatile said:
Check out what's going on at Fort Bragg and then get back to me.

There are plenty of atheists that sit in church pews every week, too.
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Why would an atheist take time to go to church?

I would agree there are plenty of people that go to church on a regular basis and not living a Christian life but I don't think the pews have many atheist sitting in them.
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#1,784
We may be closer to agreement than you think.

I would not say that the vast majority of members of the military are evangelical Christians.

There is an old joke that says if you ask a non Christian in the Northeast if they are a Christian, they will say "hell no" and if you ask a non Christian in the Southeast if they are a Christian they will say "hell yes".

I think atheism is uncommon. Agnosticism is much more prevalent than atheism. I also personally understand agnosticism whereas I feel like atheism is a fairly foolish position to take.

Most of America's greatest military leaders in every major conflict were Christians. I do not believe that is because the Bible should be the handbook of every warrior, but rather I believe that Christianity marries well with military success for the following reasons:
1. If truly believed, it removes all fear for death.
2. It molds mend who are quite used to a command structure. The centurion says to Jesus "You are a man in authority" knowing that Jesus was both over others and under authority Himself. Jesus said, "I only do what the Father tells me to do".
3. It can give a sense of purpose, of calling and of destiny to a calling that can be terrible and depressing and sometimes feel meaningless.

It is incredibly moving to me that men can fight in such a disciplined way in the ME with ROE that require them to show amazing restraint. That is a discipline that can be exhibited by an atheist or a Buddhist or a Christian, but it is not surprising to me given the cultural backgrounds of many of these young men that they are honoring God and country at the same time.

By the way, one of my favorite soldiers of all time is Sergeant Alvin C York from here in Tennessee. A remarkable story and even in destroying his enemy he attempted to win the battle with the minimum taking of human life.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Bottom line, you are wrong.

There are not tons of atheists in the military. It is demonstrably wrong unless you are saying that scores of atheists are lying on the forms that indicate their religious preference.
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The only times I ever indicated my religious preference in the military was when I first signed up (when I was eighteen) and the one time I had to get new dog tags.

My beliefs, along with scores of others, changed over the years.

I will stand by my statement that in the infantry battalions I served in, at least 30% of the Soldiers were atheists/agnostics.
 
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Gramps said:
Why would an atheist take time to go to church?

I would agree there are plenty of people that go to church on a regular basis and not living a Christian life but I don't think the pews have many atheist sitting in them.
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Simply for the community of it or to appease family members. They're probably more categorized as agnostic. Take a look around you on Sunday and see how many people don't pay attention or are dozing during the sermon. I used to be one of them and I know several people that still do it.
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VOLatile said:
Simply for the community of it or to appease family members. They're probably more categorized as agnostic. Take a look around you on Sunday and see how many people don't pay attention or are dozing during the sermon. I used to be one of them and I know several people that still do it.
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Yeah we have a few that take a little nap,
I just have never considered them to be agnostic/atheist.
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#1,788
Gramps said:
Yeah we have a few that take a little nap,
I just have never considered them to be agnostic/atheist.
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And they may not be, but if they're disinterested then there's a good chance that they are.
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IPorange said:
I didn't say they were, hence the "/". Most of the time you're scared, angry, and confused aren't you?
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I noticed your "/" and replied as I did so that there would be no confusion with your 'broad brush' statement.

What's scary is that I may be missing the fear factor gene, I don't get scared ever, fairly recently while two loaded weapons were being pointed at me at almost point blank range, I said with a voice of authority for them to quit beating a guy up, and they obeyed!

Believing it prudent to be slow to anger, I rarely am even slightly angry and almost never really angry, although one might think otherwise as I enjoy taunting those that do easily get angry and call others jackasses for instance.

Confused about what?? That is a confusing question, why would you ask that??

How would you compare Jesus and muhammed??

Any observations?
 
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gsvol said:
I noticed your "/" and replied as I did so that there would be no confusion with your 'broad brush' statement.

What's scary is that I may be missing the fear factor gene, I don't get scared ever, fairly recently while two loaded weapons were being pointed at me at almost point blank range, I said with a voice of authority for them to quit beating a guy up, and they obeyed!

Believing it prudent to be slow to anger, I rarely am even slightly angry and almost never really angry, although one might think otherwise as I enjoy taunting those that do easily get angry and call others jackasses for instance.

Confused about what?? That is a confusing question, why would you ask that??

How would you compare Jesus and muhammed??

Any observations?
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Jesus Mohammed
Bearded? x x
Middle Eastern descent? x x
Founded major religion? x x
Claimed to be the one true way? x x
Greatly misunderstood? x x
Relied on even older faiths to obtain legitimacy? x x


They have a fair amount in common.
 
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gsvol said:
I noticed your "/" and replied as I did so that there would be no confusion with your 'broad brush' statement.

What's scary is that I may be missing the fear factor gene, I don't get scared ever, fairly recently while two loaded weapons were being pointed at me at almost point blank range, I said with a voice of authority for them to quit beating a guy up, and they obeyed!

Believing it prudent to be slow to anger, I rarely am even slightly angry and almost never really angry, although one might think otherwise as I enjoy taunting those that do easily get angry and call others jackasses for instance.

Confused about what?? That is a confusing question, why would you ask that??

How would you compare Jesus and muhammed??

Any observations?
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Empty boasts, imo.
 
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gsvol said:
What's scary is that I may be missing the fear factor gene, I don't get scared ever, fairly recently while two loaded weapons were being pointed at me at almost point blank range, I said with a voice of authority for them to quit beating a guy up, and they obeyed!
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how were these loaded weapons both aimed at you and beating a guy up?

btw, thanks for the new sig quote.
 
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therealUT said:
Your infatuation with testicles goes quite the distance in refuting my previous claim.
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Is that where your eyes are drawn??

I was focusing more on the bushy tail.





fl0at said:
In defense, and take it for what it is worth, but when I enlisted, and I'd have to pull up my copy to check, there wasn't a box for "athiest," only "other."

Everyone I encounted took that to mean "non-denominational," and my dog tags always read "No Preference."

That is a lie, I had a preference; it was "none." I simply did not have the choice.

In my small platoon of about 20, there were only 3 athiests, though. Most claimed to be Christian, but only two went to church. I never heard, or saw anyone else attend.
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It would be interesting to see what those young men will decide in there later years.




droski said:
*****y wife? thinks it's good for the kids?
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Pwhipped??





IPorange said:
Jesus Mohammed
Bearded? x x
Middle Eastern descent? x x
Founded major religion? x x
Claimed to be the one true way? x x
Greatly misunderstood? x x
Relied on even older faiths to obtain legitimacy? x x


They have a fair amount in common.
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One san say for muhammed that he had more affect on world history than any other illiterate.








MG1968 said:
how were these loaded weapons both aimed at you and beating a guy up?

btw, thanks for the new sig quote.
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There were about eight guys, only two were focusing on me until then.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
Empty boasts, imo.
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IP impled that I lived a scared, angry and confused life.

This simply is not even close to the truth.

The two most oft repeated words in the Bible are "fear not."

That's how I live.








KiffinKiller said:
Has there ever been a less-likely story? Honestly though...least believable thing i've read for a long time.
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Since that time one day two guys were circling like that scene in Tombstone, one had bloodied up the other in a surprise assault, the one who had been attacked held a loaded 9mm in his hand and had already fired a couple of rounds, albeit at the feet of the other to make him back off.

He was talking about killing the guy and the other was still mouthing off.

I approached closely and kept telling the guy with the gun that it wasn't worth 20 years in prison to kill the guy.

Finally the one who had started the whole thing had sense enough to get behind me and shut up.

The guy who owned the property, who had at one time owned and run a martial arts school, approached from behind, took in his hand the wrist holding the gun and removed the weapon from the equation, at that point I extracted myself from the immediate scene and let events unfold.

I just didn't want a bunch of children see somebody get killed for not much reason at all.

It was a damned picnic for gosh sakes.

FWIW, frankly I don't give a damn Kitten killer my dear, you can believe whatever you want to.
 
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#1,799
what kind of crowd do you roll with that brings guns to a picnic where children are present?

that's a rhetorical question, btw. I really don't want to know.
 
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MG1968 said:
what kind of crowd do you roll with that brings guns to a picnic where children are present?

that's a rhetorical question, btw. I really don't want to know.
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:crazy: He doesn't care if I believe him but elaborates on story...and goes out of his way to explain.
 
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