Let's Dont Miss Out on Jim Tressel Like We Missed Out On Brian Kelly and Kevin Sumlin

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If Tressel is eligible to be hired, I wouldn't actually mind having him. Wasn't my favorite coach at Ohio State, but I think it's because he had the face of evil on the sidelines.

I'd certainly see him more as a 3rd or 4th option, but I'd see him as having much less baggage in the public eye than Bobby Petrino or even Butch Davis.
 
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SteveninTenn said:
Mike Hamilton could have hired Brian Kelly but hired Kiffin. I heard Kelly really wanted this job too. Hamilton hired Dooley over Sumlin and Dooley had a losing record including 4-8 his last year at La. Tech. Now we have the chance to hire Jim Tressel. Tressel is a proven winner. He won a national championship at both Ohio St and Youngstown St. He made a mistake on a compliance issue and got crucified for it. He didnt pay players or run things like SMU 1983. How many of us have made a mistake and deserve a second chance? I say we give Tressel another chance and keep him on short leash with some built in protection in the contract. If he goes to another school or the NFL we get huge money from whoever hires him away from us. If he makes another mistake he gets no buyout and immediate termination.

Tressel has won everywhere he's been. He would win here too. He has paid for his mistakes and been punished. I believe the NCAA would accept that he has had enough punishment and let him move on. Since he's been out of coaching for 2 years the NCAA might even wave the 5 game suspension. Even if they dont what's 5 games in the long run? Especially if we get back to winning big again.
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The football gods have a master plan for us as VOLS fans. Suffer for 3-4 years. Bring us back to earth. Realize we aren't in the 90's anymore. Really have the saying "when it rains it pours" embedded in your head. Then a savior will come. He will pick your heart up off the ground, put it back in your chest, and start pumping blood back into it (with some orange dye of course). Then do the very same thing with these young men that are oh so close to being a complete team. Then let you know there was a reason Sumlin and Kelly weren't hired. The reason in one word, GRUDEN! He is the missing piece to our puzzle. He will restore UT to 90's fashion. GO VOLS!!!!!!!!
 
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OHvol40 said:
You know, I can agree with all that. But the fact still remains that he dominated his schedule. If you want to throw all this out there as a reason not to hire Tressel, why aren't you defending the schedule that Dooley has had to play as a reason not to fire him?

Tressel has won at every level he has been on, is a proven east coast/national recruiter, dominated his biggest rival at OSU (8-1 against Michigan), and has a BCS Chapionship (beat maybe one of the most talented college football teams ever).

I get that he carries some baggage, but he is just about the most proven major college football coach available at this point in time.
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Saying that he has some baggage is like saying a hooker only has a slight std.
 
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OHvol40 said:
You know, I can agree with all that. But the fact still remains that he dominated his schedule. If you want to throw all this out there as a reason not to hire Tressel, why aren't you defending the schedule that Dooley has had to play as a reason not to fire him?

Tressel has won at every level he has been on, is a proven east coast/national recruiter, dominated his biggest rival at OSU (8-1 against Michigan), and has a BCS Chapionship (beat maybe one of the most talented college football teams ever).

I get that he carries some baggage, but he is just about the most proven major college football coach available at this point in time.
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Playing in a brutally tough SEC has made Dooley look worse than he is, and playing in a largely-pathetic Big 10 made Tressel look better than he was.

Yes, Tressel won at Youngstown State. To be diplomatic, it wasn't a clean win, since we all know exactly how he was able to keep certain players on the field who the NCAA would later take quite an interest in. Wins against rivals are overrated, but are absolutely holy to OSU fans. The title game against Miami involved a Hurricanes team substantially worse than the year prior, loaded with young players who weren't close to reaching their potential (and thanks to Larry Coker, never would in college).

You know who has won at every level with nary a scandal or an NCAA investigation following him? Paul Johnson. When he was OC at Hawaii, he was with a Warriors squad that had only touched 300 points in a season twice in school history; they scored 300+ points every year that he was there, including two years of over 400. At Navy, he guided the most prolific offenses in school history despite clearly deficient talent, and he brought an ACC title to Georgia Tech. His Navy teams beat Army every year, and Air Force every year but one. 14-3 in D-1AA playoff games. And he's clearly won with teams that suffer in the talent department, which Tressel knows nothing about.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
Playing in a brutally tough SEC has made Dooley look worse than he is, and playing in a largely-pathetic Big 10 made Tressel look better than he was.

Yes, Tressel won at Youngstown State. To be diplomatic, it wasn't a clean win, since we all know exactly how he was able to keep certain players on the field who the NCAA would later take quite an interest in. Wins against rivals are overrated, but are absolutely holy to OSU fans. The title game against Miami involved a Hurricanes team substantially worse than the year prior, loaded with young players who weren't close to reaching their potential (and thanks to Larry Coker, never would in college).

You know who has won at every level with nary a scandal or an NCAA investigation following him? Paul Johnson. When he was OC at Hawaii, he was with a Warriors squad that had only touched 300 points in a season twice in school history; they scored 300+ points every year that he was there, including two years of over 400. At Navy, he guided the most prolific offenses in school history despite clearly deficient talent, and he brought an ACC title to Georgia Tech. His Navy teams beat Army every year, and Air Force every year but one. 14-3 in D-1AA playoff games. And he's clearly won with teams that suffer in the talent department, which Tressel knows nothing about.
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Im Cant disagree with much of what you say. I'm not saying Tressel is perfect. What I am saying is that he is a very successful D1 CFB head coach and has been for an extended period of time.

Even though I hate OSU due to living in and around Columbus for a long time, I have respect for Tressel. In my limited experience I have formed the opinion that he is a good man and a fantastic coach. I believe he took the hit at OSU for some terrible kids and became the school's scapegoat to preserve the school's image.

I'm also not saying Tressel is the best option for UT, but I do believe Hart should consider him before guys like Smart, Strong, Golden, Davis... And so on.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Im Cant disagree with much of what you say. I'm not saying Tressel is perfect. What I am saying is that he is a very successful D1 CFB head coach and has been for an extended period of time.

Even though I hate OSU due to living in and around Columbus for a long time, I have respect for Tressel. In my limited experience I have formed the opinion that he is a good man and a fantastic coach. I believe he took the hit at OSU for some terrible kids and became the school's scapegoat to preserve the school's image.

I'm also not saying Tressel is the best option for UT, but I do believe Hart should consider him before guys like Smart, Strong, Golden, Davis... And so on.
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+1. I'm hoping Gruden is the next coach, but if that falls through, I think we HAVE to go hard after Patterson. If that should fall through, then, IMHO, everyone after that is a big gamble...except Jimbo Fisher. Although I have my own concerns about him, recruiting all that talent and still not really doing a lot with it.

All the NCAA stuff aside, Tressel is THE most qualified coach of the bunch. Like Petrino, hiring him would have some PR sting to it, but not a lasting one, IMHO. I think the AD and himself, in the initial PC, assuring the fans/media that he's learned from his mistake and they will have stringent accountability measures in place to prevent any further troubles with NCAA compliance....will be enough to squash a lot of the initial concerns.

Once he started bringing in big name staff members and recruiting started picking up, most of the fanbase would be onboard.
 
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