Letter From 'AA..

#29
#29
ukvols said:
I still think a year without offseason recruiting is a huge penalty. The lie was in regards to off-campus recruiting, and Bruce received a one-year suspension from recruiting off campus. To compare, Pete Carroll appeared to never stop lying about having knowledge of Reggie Bush's tangible benefits, and no one's coming down on the Seahawks for hiring him.

Anyhow, if the results are that Bruce has to go, I hope this doesn't drag out until August like it's been said it could. I don't want to go coach-shopping, but I'd rather do it in March than August.
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Exactly what jurisdiction does the 'AA have over the NFL?
 
#35
#35
Sudeepvol said:
I don't see why it wouldn't be the case. I fail to see how it's the UTAD's fault that Bruce lied to them. UT shouldn't be hit with any severe penalties from this.
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ThE 'AA doesn't always operate in the best capacity. There were a lot of worry about the LOIC. if most people are right in that they didn't rule that way, then the brunt of the issue is taken off of the University and thus laid at the feet of the staff.
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#36
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hatvol96 said:
Exactly what jurisdiction does the 'AA have over the NFL?
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None.

I was commenting on analysts in the media who say Bruce should have been immediately terminated. A lot of TV analysts and newspaper sports writers have said that. Someone, apologies for forgetting the name, wrote that 90-something percent of universities would have fired Bruce. He basically put UT in, at best, the bottom 10% of the NCAA for ethics.
 
#38
#38
hatvol96 said:
Where are all these courts who give people passes for admittedly lying to them? I've never had the pleasure of practicing in one of them. Sounds like fun.
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Point taken. I can assure you after a life time of tales of people who have had issues with the courts myself included. Lying seems to be done\know by all parties. If you are one of the few who holds to the belief that truth
is in fact the norm then the next time I take someone to, or have to appear in court, god forbid. I would love to be judged or have a case decided by the truth. Than would be fun and refreshing...... just saying.
 
#39
#39
We will find out if the NCAA believes a lie is a lie, or if the weight of the underlying offense plays a role. In other words, is it worse to lie about a pay-for-play scheme, for example, than to lie about a secondary violation? Or, will lying in general be sanctioned apart from the underlying offense?
 
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orangeblooded2 said:
Point taken. I can assure you after a life time of tales of people who have had issues with the courts myself included. Lying seems to be done\know by all parties. If you are one of the few who holds to the belief that truth
is in fact the norm then the next time I take someone to, or have to appear in court, god forbid. I would love to be judged or have a case decided by the truth. Than would be fun and refreshing...... just saying.
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Difference between lying and getting caught lying.
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#41
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orangeblooded2 said:
Point taken. I can assure you after a life time of tales of people who have had issues with the courts myself included. Lying seems to be done\know by all parties. If you are one of the few who holds to the belief that truth
is in fact the norm then the next time I take someone to, or have to appear in court, god forbid. I would love to be judged or have a case decided by the truth. Than would be fun and refreshing...... just saying.
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It does seem to be common practice to lie/admit nothing until there is no alternative.
 
#42
#42
Keep in mind we are talking about a body that is trying to figure out if a baseball coach giving a player a kidney is an improper benefit!
 
#43
#43
cd12 said:
Keep in mind we are talking about a body that is trying to figure out if a baseball coach giving a player a kidney is an improper benefit!
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Throw the book @ the coach. I bet he wouldn't have given the player the kidney if he wasn't his player. I say make him give it back.
 
#44
#44
JZVOL said:
Throw the book @ the coach. I bet he wouldn't have given the player the kidney if he wasn't his player. I say make him give it back.
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Make him give the other one to their biggest rival. That'll show him.
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#46
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Just an FYI, is it a good idea to address the letter at all until after the season? I would have said the same about the public apology from Pearl earlier but this is being made into a long process. When Memphis received the letter of inquiry in January 2008, it wasnt mentioned until the end of the season. Most know Cal wanted it kept quiet but what makes you think the university will openly discuss the letter upon receiving it?
 
#47
#47
homefry20 said:
Just an FYI, is it a good idea to address the letter at all until after the season? I would have said the same about the public apology from Pearl earlier but this is being made into a long process. When Memphis received the letter of inquiry in January 2008, it wasnt mentioned until the end of the season. Most know Cal wanted it kept quiet but what makes you think the university will openly discuss the letter upon receiving it?
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It's better than the uncertainty of not knowing.
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#48
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Not really IMO. After receiving the letter, you still have to respond to the inquiry wth the info they demand. Its only then they will make the sanctions. Theres no real benefit unless its exceptionally good. Might as well keep it under wraps until the season is over because the sanctions wont come forward until mid summer anyway. At least thats the timeline for our investigation. But then again, if anyone in knoxville media catches wind that it has arrived then they can always request the Freedom of Information Act as just cause to produce the letter since the University of Tennessee is a public institution.
 
#49
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homefry20 said:
Not really IMO. After receiving the letter, you still have to respond to the inquiry wth the info they demand. Its only then they will make the sanctions. Theres no real benefit unless its exceptionally good. Might as well keep it under wraps until the season is over because the sanctions wont come forward until mid summer anyway. At least thats the timeline for our investigation. But then again, if anyone in knoxville media catches wind that it has arrived then they can always request the Freedom of Information Act as just cause to produce the letter since the University of Tennessee is a public institution.
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As stated earlier, most believe the letter will not be very damning to the University. That in itself could be a boost in the arm.

The cloud of indecision is never good. Pearl and company, if they have any brains at all, could turn the letter into a "balls to the wall" type scenario.
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#50
#50
homefry20 said:
But then again, if anyone in knoxville media catches wind that it has arrived then they can always request the Freedom of Information Act as just cause to produce the letter since the University of Tennessee is a public institution.
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not sure how that works since the UTAD is not. Would they be held to the foia? I have no idea
 
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