Letter From 'AA..

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Tenacious D said:
Perhaps the Martin and Chatty kids would travel to Knoxville to attend school, were it reasonably distinguished from the rest. Both they - and those already attending UTK - would be far better served, as well.
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Again: Martin and Chatty spend LESS per student than UT. Sending the students and the money to UT would be a net LOSS for UT.

Besides, UT has 19k undergrads. MTSU alone has 25K. Throw in ETSU, Memphis, Tech, Chatty, and Martin...how many students we talking about here? 200k?

This is not a feasible model. And, again, MARTIN AND CHATTANOOGA ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.
 
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StepCross said:
Again: Martin and Chatty spend LESS per student than UT. Sending the students and the money to UT would be a net LOSS for UT.

Besides, UT has 19k undergrads. MTSU alone has 25K. Throw in ETSU, Memphis, Tech, Chatty, and Martin...how many students we talking about here? 200k?

This is not a feasible model. And, again, MARTIN AND CHATTANOOGA ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.
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The kids couldn't get into UT in the first place, I doubt in this scenario they would become Vols.
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#154
What's Alcoholics Anonymous got to do with football?

Except for the :beerf: fans in the stands that is.
 
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#156
Heebs said:
The kids couldn't get into UT in the first place, I doubt in this scenario they would become Vols.
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If all of the people that "graduate" from Pellissippi can get into UT, then it can't be that rigorous of a process. You may want to get over yourself. It's not as though you're attending Harvard.
 
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StepCross said:
Again: Martin and Chatty spend LESS per student than UT. Sending the students and the money to UT would be a net LOSS for UT.

Besides, UT has 19k undergrads. MTSU alone has 25K. Throw in ETSU, Memphis, Tech, Chatty, and Martin...how many students we talking about here? 200k?

This is not a feasible model. And, again, MARTIN AND CHATTANOOGA ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.
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No, I Get what you're saying.

My point is that these need to be stand-alone institutions - and if they immediately go bankrupt and fail, well, that's your answer as to their viability.

No, not every student who attends one of the small schools could make it at UTK, especially when the first act (after securing all funding for UTK) would be to increase the admission standards to be on par with UNC and similiar institutions. But guess what? A lot of kids who attend UTK now wouldn't make it, either. As woeful as the State's public education has been since, well, forever, I don't think that overpopulation would be a real problem.

So what happens to these students? They go somewhere else. Like everyone else who doesn't make it into UNC, and similiar schools.

But like it or not, the days of hindering UTK's advancement, however large or slight you may believe that to be, are coming to a close. And it's about time. Like it, don't like it, protest it, pose your arguments, rally, sign petitions, whatever - the hammer is going to fall. Swiftly and certainly.
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#158
Tenacious D said:
My point is that these need to be stand-alone institutions - and if they immediately go bankrupt and fail, well, that's your answer as to their viability.
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Exactly. They've been nothing but parasites on the only real UT's numbers, so they can die soon and nobody is going to give a damn except the "I just don't think I could make it on a big campus" crowd. Screw them. Let Martin and Chattanooga join the other losers in the Regents system.
 
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Tenacious D said:
No, I Get what you're saying.

My point is that these need to be stand-alone institutions - and if they immediately go bankrupt and fail, well, that's your answer as to their viability.

No, not every student who attends one of the small schools could make it at UTK, especially when the first act (after securing all funding for UTK) would be to increase the admission standards to be on par with UNC and similiar institutions. But guess what? A lot of kids who attend UTK now wouldn't make it, either. As woeful as the State's public education has been since, well, forever, I don't think that overpopulation would be a real problem.

So what happens to these students? They go somewhere else. Like everyone else who doesn't make it into UNC, and similiar schools.

But like it or not, the days of hindering UTK's advancement, however large or slight you may believe that to be, are coming to a close. And it's about time. Like it, don't like it, protest it, pose your arguments, rally, sign petitions, whatever - the hammer is going to fall. Swiftly and certainly.
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The day of the appeasment of the single A affiliate at the expense of the major league team is definitely done. The Haslam Era is at hand. Crappanooga and Meaningless need to find a way to live without sucking off the UT name.
 
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#160
Tenacious D said:
No, I Get what you're saying.

My point is that these need to be stand-alone institutions - and if they immediately go bankrupt and fail, well, that's your answer as to their viability.

No, not every student who attends one of the small schools could make it at UTK, especially when the first act (after securing all funding for UTK) would be to increase the admission standards to be on par with UNC and similiar institutions. But guess what? A lot of kids who attend UTK now wouldn't make it, either. As woeful as the State's public education has been since, well, forever, I don't think that overpopulation would be a real problem.

So what happens to these students? They go somewhere else. Like everyone else who doesn't make it into UNC, and similiar schools.

But like it or not, the days of hindering UTK's advancement, however large or slight you may believe that to be, are coming to a close. And it's about time. Like it, don't like it, protest it, pose your arguments, rally, sign petitions, whatever - the hammer is going to fall. Swiftly and certainly.
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So when you say the hammer will drop what exactly do you think will happen? I am all for UTK cutting off UTM and UTC.
 
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#161
Tenacious D said:
But like it or not, the days of hindering UTK's advancement, however large or slight you may believe that to be, are coming to a close. And it's about time. Like it, don't like it, protest it, pose your arguments, rally, sign petitions, whatever - the hammer is going to fall. Swiftly and certainly.
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hatvol96 said:
Exactly. They've been nothing but parasites on the only real UT's numbers, so they can die soon and nobody is going to give a damn except the "I just don't think I could make it on a big campus" crowd. Screw them. Let Martin and Chattanooga join the other losers in the Regents system.
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Wow. This is a level of vitriol towards Martin and Chattanooga that I simply didn't know existed. Honestly, these schools are so small and insignificant that I already thought nobody gave a damn.

Regents money comes from the same place as UT-system money, so I don't see how they're less of a drain if you move them. I'm honestly shocked that you guys are this passionate about the level of drain on UT.

Memphis, MTSU, and ETSU are probably necessary due to the number of students and citizens they serve. If we really want to cut, we could probably close all the other 4-years and send the students to one of those three. TSU probably not closing for historical reasons. Do we need Tech? It's an hour from MTSU and 90 minutes from Knoxville.

(But the problem is space. MTSU and UTK are both pretty much full to capacity already...where do we put the students?)

The twenty-five thousand community colleges on every third block of the state seem excessive to me. That's a more serious drain IMO, and some of them get more state money per student than several 4-year colleges. But the state recently has been legislating TOWARD the CC's rather than away from them.

I have no ties at all to UTM or UTC, and don't really care if they close down or not. I just don't see what UT gains.

(and they certainly don't gain top-25 status by doing that)
 
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Tenacious D said:
So what happens to these students? They go somewhere else. Like everyone else who doesn't make it into UNC, and similiar schools.
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Are UNCC and UNCA and UNCW "drains" on UNC? Those are just the UNC's I know of from sports--are there others in the UNC system?

How about NC State? That, I guess, is the NC equivalent of a TBR school. Is NCSt a drain on UNC?
 
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StepCross said:
Are UNCC and UNCA and UNCW "drains" on UNC? Those are just the UNC's I know of from sports--are there others in the UNC system?

How about NC State? That, I guess, is the NC equivalent of a TBR school. Is NCSt a drain on UNC?
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Research UNC's practices on funding and study their system compared to UT's.
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Lexvol said:
Most of the speculation is a "failure to monitor" charge which is a much lesser charge than lack of institutional control. Many still believe it is Bruce that will be hit the hardest once the penalties are handed down.
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:lolabove:Good Post Lexvol.
Coach Pearl may be thrown under the bus to appease the gods (little g).
GO VOLS!
 
#168
#168
RollerVol said:
:lolabove:Good Post Lexvol.
Coach Pearl may be thrown under the bus to appease the gods (little g).
GO VOLS!
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Good. A chance to get on topic for me.

Who do you think is driving said bus? And who gave that said bus directions to where Poor Bruce was laid out in the road?
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#171
StepCross said:
Wow. This is a level of vitriol towards Martin and Chattanooga that I simply didn't know existed. Honestly, these schools are so small and insignificant that I already thought nobody gave a damn.

Regents money comes from the same place as UT-system money, so I don't see how they're less of a drain if you move them. I'm honestly shocked that you guys are this passionate about the level of drain on UT.

Memphis, MTSU, and ETSU are probably necessary due to the number of students and citizens they serve. If we really want to cut, we could probably close all the other 4-years and send the students to one of those three. TSU probably not closing for historical reasons. Do we need Tech? It's an hour from MTSU and 90 minutes from Knoxville.

(But the problem is space. MTSU and UTK are both pretty much full to capacity already...where do we put the students?)

The twenty-five thousand community colleges on every third block of the state seem excessive to me. That's a more serious drain IMO, and some of them get more state money per student than several 4-year colleges. But the state recently has been legislating TOWARD the CC's rather than away from them.

I have no ties at all to UTM or UTC, and don't really care if they close down or not. I just don't see what UT gains.

(and they certainly don't gain top-25 status by doing that)
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You're assuming the the rest of the Regents are safe. They are not.

People - Governors, Directors, et al - have long seen the damage being done as the diversion of critical resources has caused UTK'S performance to flag and now fail, and just as other surrounding institutions have exceeded us in bounding leaps. The difference is that the RIGHT person has now not only seen it, but unlike the rest, he fully intends to correct it.

I have a hard time reconciling the dichotomy between "these lesser schools serve a vital interest to Tennessee", "that nobody gives a damn about them" and their $85M annual budget. I wholeheartedly believe the middle, outright reject the former, and will embrace the full distribution of the latter, of course, to UTK.

The notion that kids won't be educated were these lesser schools to close deserves no further answer than this: it's absolute and utter nonsense, being just an off-shoot of the same political posturing (read: scare tactics, red herring) which has upheld this system of common ineptitude thus far.
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