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#126
emainvol said:
There isn't really a pure capitalist society
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True because a totally pure capitalist system is almost unsustainable. You end up with monopolies and not always but usually the workers get screwed.
 
#127
#127
mreed90 said:
True because a totally pure capitalist system is almost unsustainable. You end up with monopolies and not always but usually the workers get screwed.
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There is no proof of this because as it has been stated it has never been done.

Point I was making though is that this country already has a ton of "social" programs.
 
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#128
NEOCON said:
There is no proof of this because as it has been stated it has never been done.

Point I was making though is that this country already has a ton of "social" programs.
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Never totally pure but back in days of even less regulation that happen.
 
#131
#131
IPorange said:
You remind me of a guy in my graduate program, who imagines elaborate conspiracies and communist fascist professors saturate the department and university. It's sad, because it is all in his head.
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During my brothers post-doc he was considering becoming a professor and the fact that he wasn't a left wing lunatic made his decision. He was afraid of the consequences of coming out as a fence straddler. Tolerance for someone else's views is not a liberal tendency, they would rather take your freedoms away.
 
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#132
Give me a break.

I am in my junior year at a large west coast liberal arts-oriented public university and I haven't had ONE professor bring their "left wing crazy" politics into the classroom.
 
#133
#133
milohimself said:
Give me a break.

I am in my junior year at a large west coast liberal arts-oriented public university and I haven't had ONE professor bring their "left wing crazy" politics into the classroom.
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that's probably because you agree with their crazy left-wing ideas ya damn commie
 
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azVolFan said:
During my brothers post-doc he was considering becoming a professor and the fact that he wasn't a left wing lunatic made his decision. He was afraid of the consequences of coming out as a fence straddler. Tolerance for someone else's views is not a liberal tendency, they would rather take your freedoms away.
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My advising professors are from Berkeley, and I've never caught flack for expressing countering views over a beer.
 
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#136
milohimself said:
Give me a break.

I am in my junior year at a large west coast liberal arts-oriented public university and I haven't had ONE professor bring their "left wing crazy" politics into the classroom.
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What's the point in preaching to the choir?
 
#137
#137
azVolFan said:
democrat not left enough for you? :)
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All I hear is "beep boop bleep. No taxes unless for defense. Bloop bleep beep. Government bad. Education bad. Bleep boop beep. Danger, Ronald Reagan, Danger! Bloop beep boop."

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#138
IPorange said:
My advising professors are from Berkeley, and I've never caught flack for expressing countering views over a beer.
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I'm just going on what he told me. He didn't want his friends and colleagues knowing he didn't share their political views because he felt it would have gotten him ostracized. I usually offend him with my world views when I completely drop the political correctness and say what I really feel so he's hardly a right wing hardliner.
 
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#139
IPorange said:
My advising professors are from Berkeley, and I've never caught flack for expressing countering views over a beer.
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what field? generally the pure science guys are far more tolerant than the social sciences. i was called many not so nice things by TAs and Professors alike. there is very much a "i assume everyone agrees with me" attitude at Cal. it's not that they are actually actively subverting different opinions it's that they can't believe any "smart" person would disagree with them and sicne we are all brilliant if we can get into cal. . .etc etc
 
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#140
azVolFan said:
I'm just going on what he told me. He didn't want his friends and colleagues knowing he didn't share their political views because he felt it would have gotten him ostracized. I usually offend him with my world views when I completely drop the political correctness and say what I really feel so he's hardly a right wing hardliner.
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Wait, you are usually being "politically correct?"

Maybe your brother should have been a man and spoke his mind, being fully prepared to rationally support his views.

I've seen all kinds of grad students make it through, some wildly conservative.
 
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#141
droski said:
what field? generally the pure science guys are far more tolerant than the social sciences. i was called many not so nice things by TAs and Professors alike. there is very much a "i assume everyone agrees with me" attitude at Cal.
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Natural sciences, but they are all the most left-leaning people I know. I mean, LEFT. "Obama isn't going far enough," left. Jimmy Carter is their favorite President, left. Seriously, I'm not exaggerating.
 
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#142
IPorange said:
Natural sciences, but they are all the most left-leaning people I know. I mean, LEFT. "Obama isn't going far enough," left. Jimmy Carter is their favorite President, left. Seriously, I'm not exaggerating.
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ah yes. my brother in law has a phd in geology and he's of similar viewpoints. dude has a very poor understanding of even basic economics though. his dad told me that the only rational reason why people might not be a fan of obama is if they are racist.
 
#143
#143
utvolpj said:
that's probably because you agree with their crazy left-wing ideas ya damn commie
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:whistling:

azVolFan said:
What's the point in preaching to the choir?
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No4realztho,

Socially lib but I've punched a few Republican votes in. Pro-free market (with some regulation because I don't trust people to do the right thing), think the fed gov't is too big, etc.

But mostly I just like to poke fun and stir the pot.
 
#144
#144
droski said:
ah yes. my brother in law has a phd in geology and he's of similar viewpoints. dude has a very poor understanding of even basic economics though. his dad told me that the only rational reason why people might not be a fan of obama is if they are racist.
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Yes, but they couch it as being a "latent factor" in most detractors. It's a friendly kind of racist-branding.

I like to think of it as most economically very liberal people are wanting a finished-product, an end-state of egalitarianism. They don't have a real mechanism for it though, aside from government mandate.

Very economically conservative people have a mechanism and "way it should work" in mind, and feel whatever end state-of-being will be fair in that it was generated through free choices, and only to some extent initial advantage.


I think both lines of thinking have obvious flaws, and it is no wonder why the two groups clash so hard, as they are speaking different languages with different priorities in mind.
 
#145
#145
IPorange said:
Wait, you are usually being "politically correct?"

Maybe your brother should have been a man and spoke his mind, being fully prepared to rationally support his views.

I've seen all kinds of grad students make it through, some wildly conservative.
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My brother just started a job in New Jersey for a defense contractor and I told him I'd like to come visit him and go up to NYC because I've never been. He mentioned going to the Empire State Building and I told him I thought they could tear it down for all I care. I explained about how they lit it up for China's communist anniversary but not for Mother Teresa. He said he thought my views were pretty radical. (That's one story I remember).

I generally believe in civil discourse but I do sometimes get angry and allow it to get the better of me. This causes me to say things in a manner that I otherwise would not. It happens on here all the time. I'm human.
 
#146
#146
droski said:
ah yes. my brother in law has a phd in geology and he's of similar viewpoints. dude has a very poor understanding of even basic economics though. his dad told me that the only rational reason why people might not be a fan of obama is if they are racist.
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The generalization that right wingers are racist really makes me angry. I've had friends that accused me of being racist simply because I believe in the existence of reverse racism.
 
#147
#147
azVolFan said:
My brother just started a job in New Jersey for a defense contractor and I told him I'd like to come visit him and go up to NYC because I've never been. He mentioned going to the Empire State Building and I told him I thought they could tear it down for all I care. I explained about how they lit it up for China's communist anniversary but not for Mother Teresa. He said he thought my views were pretty radical. (That's one story I remember).

I generally believe in civil discourse but I do sometimes get angry and allow it to get the better of me. This causes me to say things in a manner that I otherwise would not. It happens on here all the time. I'm human.
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Mother Theresa is the poster-child of human ignorance creating needless misery. While she meant well, she did way more harm than good.
 
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#149
IPorange said:
Yes, but they couch it as being a "latent factor" in most detractors. It's a friendly kind of racist-branding.

I like to think of it as most economically very liberal people are wanting a finished-product, an end-state of egalitarianism. They don't have a real mechanism for it though, aside from government mandate.

Very economically conservative people have a mechanism and "way it should work" in mind, and feel whatever end state-of-being will be fair in that it was generated through free choices, and only to some extent initial advantage.


I think both lines of thinking have obvious flaws, and it is no wonder why the two groups clash so hard, as they are speaking different languages with different priorities in mind.
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True. We can't agree on the problems let alone the solutions. It doesn't help that one party believes in democracy and the other doesn't.
 
#150
#150
azVolFan said:
True. We can't agree on the problems let alone the solutions. It doesn't help that one party believes in democracy and the other doesn't.
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Both parties only believe in democracy when it favors them. One only has to observe the House of Representatives to see that.
 
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