Life on Mars?

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So back on topic I thought they had found amino acids in a mars rock before and this is just another case of that? They found amino acids?

You can’t have carbon based life without amino acids but amino acids doesn’t mean you have life.
 
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Matt2496 said:
The article I read said that they only found organic molecules. Not even close to a living cell.

Furthermore, the term "organic" is merely used to describe anything carbon based. Naturally occurring processes containing carbon could have very easily created these molecules, so I would not put too much stock into what they're claiming.
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That's very similar to how we think life on this planet started. Although that process took a ridiculously long time so Mars could potentially still be millions of years from it's first taste of single-celled life. It's still a cool discovery nonetheless.

But is anyone really surprised by this? No one's ever heard of the Drake Equation? Life on other planets in the universe is statistically probable to the point of it being a near certainty.

However, interstellar distances make communication and travel nearly impossible so it's hard to know for sure. Unless you want to get into time manipulation, sustainable wormholes, etc. as solutions for efficiently communicating with and exploring other parts of the galaxy. But that's an entirely different rabbit hole and not really on topic.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
No "we" don't.

Unless you believe in magic.
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I'm a biologist. So that's a no on the magic thing.

But yes, a primordial "soup" of organic material, specifically containing amino acids, is usually thought to have been the precursor to the formation of single-celled life on this planet.
 
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Charlie Kelly said:
I'm a biologist. So that's a no on the magic thing.

But yes, a primordial "soup" of organic material, specifically containing amino acids, is usually thought to have been the precursor to the formation of single-celled life on this planet.
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Don't forget the electricity.
 
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Charlie Kelly said:
I'm a biologist. So that's a no on the magic thing.

But yes, a primordial "soup" of organic material, specifically containing amino acids, is usually thought to have been the precursor to the formation of single-celled life on this planet.
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Angiogenesis from rock wash soup has the same amount of scientific evidence supporting it as the flying spaghetti monster, but ,people believe in that too.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Angiogenesis from rock wash soup has the same amount of scientific evidence supporting it as the flying spaghetti monster, but ,people believe in that too.
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Are you sure you know what Angiogenesis is? Because you just used it incorrectly.

Secondly, gaps in evidence widen as you move further back in time to try and piece together the past. Evidence is scarce, but that is the prevailing theory at the moment. Whether you reach the same conclusions based on the available evidence or not is completely up to your own interpretation. However, the general public is woefully ignorant of some basic scientific foundational knowledge that would be very useful in drawing those aforementioned conclusions. And no, a couple years of high school or college biology/chemistry isn't enough when you're evaluating the progression of simple, organic molecules into more complex, organic molecules eventually culminating in the formation of a self replicating form of life. So, it's probably best to leave it to the professionals to evaluate and interpret the evidence relative to their specific fields of expertise.

Not sure what a spaghetti monster has to do with anything. It certainly has nothing to do with anything science related. Maybe a good idea for a children's book though.
 
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Charlie Kelly said:
I'm a biologist. So that's a no on the magic thing.

But yes, a primordial "soup" of organic material, specifically containing amino acids, is usually thought to have been the precursor to the formation of single-celled life on this planet.
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...Other than the fact that nothing in science has ever demonstrated that life can just "appear" from organic material. Additionally, nothing has ever explained how a necessary multitude of non-advantageous singular mutations would perpetuate over a required great deal of time to create complex organisms. Sounds like magic to me.

I've never looked at a great work of art and imagined that a bunch of oils really lucked into that formation, either. It seems a much more logical conclusion than an artist with incredible design prowess actually organized the colors in a meaningful manner.

It's a complete misrepresentation that everyone educated in science believes that nonsense. Many of us have found that the more we understand about life, biology/micro, physics, genetics, etc., the more obvious it becomes that an Intelligent Designer is necessary.
 
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Charlie Kelly said:
But is anyone really surprised by this? No one's ever heard of the Drake Equation? Life on other planets in the universe is statistically probable to the point of it being a near certainty.
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That's where it gets interesting. This line of thinking BEGINS with the assumption that something happened on Earth that we cannot explain with any scientific evidence. That is an obvious logical fallacy.

That being said:
1) If miraculous discoveries were made to prove that life, and further -- complex organisms, do in fact develop from non-living organic material, the size of the universe would suggest that ET life is probable.
2) Nothing about my beliefs or Christian theology rules out the possibility of ET life. Nothing suggests that it is likely, either.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
...Other than the fact that nothing in science has ever demonstrated that life can just "appear" from organic material. Additionally, nothing has ever explained how a necessary multitude of non-advantageous singular mutations would perpetuate over a required great deal of time to create complex organisms. Sounds like magic to me.

I've never looked at a great work of art and imagined that a bunch of oils really lucked into that formation, either. It seems a much more logical conclusion than an artist with incredible design prowess actually organized the colors in a meaningful manner.

It's a complete misrepresentation that everyone educated in science believes that nonsense. Many of us have found that the more we understand about life, biology/micro, physics, genetics, etc., the more obvious it becomes that an Intelligent Designer is necessary.
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Look man, I figured that’s what you were getting at with your original post. I didn’t mean to offend you. But I’m certainly not going down that rabbit hole with you either.

Religion is not a question science can answer. Nor has it ever tried to. I try to leave it out of my reasoning process as much as I can. Science does not preclude the existence of God though. And for the record, I’m not an atheist. In fact, most people I’ve met in the field are religious to a certain extent.

However, it’s the best explanation science has at the moment for how life began. Just leave it at that and try not to bash other people’s beliefs. They’re allowed to believe whatever they wish. Religion in a nutshell is just faith and hope anyway. There’s no need to take that away from anyone, regardless of what idea they actually find comforting.
 
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Charlie Kelly said:
Look man, I figured that’s what you were getting at with your original post. I didn’t mean to offend you. But I’m certainly not going down that rabbit hole with you either.

Religion is not a question science can answer. Nor has it ever tried to. I try to leave it out of my reasoning process as much as I can. Science does not preclude the existence of God though. And for the record, I’m not an atheist. In fact, most people I’ve met in the field are religious to a certain extent.

However, it’s the best explanation science has at the moment for how life began. Just leave it at that and try not to bash other people’s beliefs. They’re allowed to believe whatever they wish. Religion in a nutshell is just faith and hope anyway. There’s no need to take that away from anyone, regardless of what idea they actually find comforting.
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Thank you for that response. It's not my intent to "bash" anyone's beliefs. I'm just presenting the fact that many educated people are able to quite logically explain how life began without taking the accidental/primordial soup route. I would love to share those ideas with you, but this is probably not the ideal forum. An understanding of God's amazing plan is actually quite liberating for those of us who ask questions and can't seem to find all the answers in textbooks and research journals!
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Thank you for that response. It's not my intent to "bash" anyone's beliefs. I'm just presenting the fact that many educated people are able to quite logically explain how life began without taking the accidental/primordial soup route. I would love to share those ideas with you, but this is probably not the ideal forum. An understanding of God's amazing plan is actually quite liberating for those of us who ask questions and can't seem to find all the answers in textbooks and research journals!
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No problem. Thank you for your response as well. A lot of people have a myriad of different beliefs. I always try and keep an open mind about things because, honestly, if I know anything, it’s that I don’t know very much.
 
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Charlie Kelly said:
I always try and keep an open mind about things because, honestly, if I know anything, it’s that I don’t know very much.
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Same here. I have two doctorates, and it seems that has given me more questions than answers. Science can only give us so much, at this point. Going beyond that in whatever direction requires a leap of faith, be it scientific or religious. Honestly, trying to think on a universal scale of time and space when we only exist within and for a fraction of a blink is extremely difficult.
 
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Vol_Doc said:
Same here. I have two doctorates, and it seems that has given me more questions than answers. Science can only give us so much, at this point. Going beyond that in whatever direction requires a leap of faith, be it scientific or religious. Honestly, trying to think on a universal scale of time and space when we only exist within and for a fraction of a blink is extremely difficult.
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It's like a square trying to imagine what passing through a cube would be like. It's not easy to wrap your head around.
 
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A Big Bang type event was described in the Bible. Bible is not the first religious text.

Creation of Life is chance. Material universe by it's nature is the design brought into 3 dimensions

Meaning that Life was by chance...but the material universe was designed.

Material is never "alive" yet it exists. Life is a chance manifestation birth from the designed universe
 
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LittleVol said:
A Big Bang type event was described in the Bible. Bible is not the first religious text.

Creation of Life is chance. Material universe by it's nature is the design brought into 3 dimensions

Meaning that Life was by chance...but the material universe was designed.

Material is never "alive" yet it exists. Life is a chance manifestation birth from the designed universe
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Well, to be honest, the dimensions of this universe are still up for debate. But most, with the available evidence, would assume there are 4. Everyone forgets about time for some reason.........
 
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LittleVol said:
A Big Bang type event was described in the Bible. Bible is not the first religious text.

Creation of Life is chance. Material universe by it's nature is the design brought into 3 dimensions

Meaning that Life was by chance...but the material universe was designed.

Material is never "alive" yet it exists. Life is a chance manifestation birth from the designed universe
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Well, that solves it. Thanks.
 
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Charlie Kelly said:
Well, to be honest, the dimensions of this universe are still up for debate. But most, with the available evidence, would assume there are 4. Everyone forgets about time for some reason.........
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True. The concept of space time is tough to wrap one's mind around, though.
 
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I always find it interesting that “science” can find an amino acid in Martian dirt and declare life exists, but a baby kicking in a mother’s womb can’t get the same designation.
 
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